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Junky
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My original front axel, for my 1929 Truck, is at the machinist for replacing the king pins, sleeves, bearing, etc.  Although there is enough material on the Knuckles/Spindles to do the job, the axel (I Beam) at one end does not have enough material for boring.  So, I'm presently looking for a replacement axel which I will give to the machinist to complete the job.

First, I'm having difficulty in finding an axel. but I did notice an old sale of one that is throwing me for a loop.  In the GM parts listing, my axel is listed as #362291 Beam with brake operating lever stud and castle nut (shown as 352249).  This matches the axel I sent out to the machinist.  The Sale I tripped across, indicated this #362291 Beam with a note that the axel they were selling was cast as #352202 and it was believed to be the original number then replaced by 369149 then replaced by 362291????

The order numbers do not make sense.  352202 to then 369149 then to 362291.  The 369149 is out of order.

So,  I'm looking for a replacement axel (362291 Beam) if anyone knows where one can be acquired, PLUS, if anyone can help me determine if I am to look for a 362291 or the possibility of some other number NOT LISTED in the GM Parts listing.  And I can accept that my future purchase of an axel may have to include the knuckles/spindles.

Thanks, Gary

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@junky Gary, There is a method for shrinking the ends of your axle so that they can be re-reamed to size. Some might find it crude, but it has been done thousands of times when vehicles had to go back to work. I would do it without hesitation but you can decide.

Heat the end of the axle to cherry red and hammer around the three accessible sides to shrink the hole. Let it cool and ream to size.

It's a thought. I think you are looking for a "one year only axle" and you could buy one, have it shipped to you and then discover that it has the same problem as your present one.

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I like Mike's idea.

I do wonder what it does to any "heat treatment" though.  

If I'm reading the parts book right, Mike is right that your front axle is a 1 year only part due to the lever actuated mechanical brakes (as opposed to cable operated in 1930).

BUT

I could be wrong but it appears that the same axle was used on cars and trucks, giving you a much bigger pool of old axles out there.


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Thanks Mike.  I didn't inspect the underside of the beam housing.  The machinist told me there was some missing material on the underside of the end housing in which if he were to bore, more material further up would be missing of the housing material. He also claimed he had no thoughts as to why that area had been missing material.   He then said any additional boring to that end housing would weaken the housing further and did not want to take the chance of continuing with my beam.  He made the claim my beam is shot.  He did say the spindles were fine for continuing the job.

P.S.  Why is it called a One Year Only Axle

Ole,

Yeah, I figured my beam would cross a few years and the part number would remain the same for those applications.  The 362291 number is the key to my searching.  And when I ran across a guy on ebay that just tried selling one, which I believe did not sell, his statement of those numbers I listed above stopped me in my tracks.

His beam offer is of NOS.  The picture looks just like mine and the parts book image.  But his numbers???  I sold GM parts back in the 70's.  Any parts that were replaced for what ever reason, the numbers were issued in order of sequence.  His number scheme throws me.

G

 



   
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Here's the update.

I found a guy with two different castings of parts listing 362291.  His two beams, that look almost identical, have casting numbers 362202 and 353915 respectively.

He sent me pictures of the ends of the beams due to slight discrepancies.  He said to look at the end holes and the king pin housing lengths.  To me, the king pin housing lengths are different and the beam member at the ends are different.  Due to the beam end shapes being different, the locking pin holes look different.  Overall, to me, I don't believe these two beams, 362202 and 353915 are the same.  Maybe one intended for cars (light duty) and the other for the trucks (heavy duty).

So, since my existing "bad" beam has casting 353915, I purchased that one from him.  It's due in between dec 6 to 10.

Here's those pics.  The 353915 beam is the bottom beam shown in the picture.  I will double check this claim when it arrives.

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@junky Gary, Is the axle you bought N.O.S.? Looks like you are on your way.

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The 1929 August Master Parts List for six cylinder models on page 36 lists the front axle "I" beam as PN 362291 That is the same number on page 61 of the August 1929 Master Parts List for four cylinder models (Series LP) which is the designation for the 1 ton 1928 trucks with front brakes. The conclusion is the same front axle for both 1929 passenger 1 1/2 ton trucks and the late '28 1 ton trucks have the same front axle. I did not find a listing for the casting number(s) corresponding to the 362291 part number.  


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Just got my front axel back from the shop ($300).  I supplied the FS king pin kit (fs-112) and the "so-called" NOS front axel (cast number 353915). 

This NOS axle was not NOS.  Each end had old, slightly worn bushings in place.  There was no concerning wear on those bushings so I delivered this axle to the shop for full repair.  Nice job performed.

Just a reminder to all, I have roughly 5-1/2 inch steering wheel play.  That's not good, scary turning.  I jacked up the front and checked the vertical play of the front wheels and the passenger wheel rocked about and 1-1/4 to 1-1/2 inch when I grabed the wheel at 12 and 6.  The driver side wheel rocked about 3/4 to 1 inch.  When I had the axle and knuckles off and on my bench, I could easily rock the knuckles in that vertical position.  As we know, there should be no movement in that position.

The new repair of the axle and knuckles function beautifully as designed.

Once I get the front end back together I will be disassembling the steering box.

I don't believe the kin pins were the total problem to my wheel play.  And yes, once the front end is  assembled, I  can take the truck out, in front of my home, to test the play to see if any play has been reduced.   

Thanks guys.  I'll be back with my findings.


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Before I forget, tomorrow I will grease the king pins before I do anything else.



   
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For those who may come along and find this thread on a 1929 Chevrolet 1-1/2 Ton Truck front axle, here's the pictures to the axle I found that my thread above relates to.  This axle just received new king pin repair.  Yes, I cleaned this axle from dirt, grease and rust, using vinegar and steel wool.  Then thoroughly dried the axle and gave it two coats of Meuvcol a rust converter and preventative.  Looks great, right?

Reminder note, Axle part number 262202 with casting number 353915.  Yeah, my wife wasn't happy when she seen me using her washing machine and dryer.

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Looks good. I'm a believer in preventive measures as well.


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Junky
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@tiny Yeah, that Meuvcol is easy to use.  This summer I'll be crawling underneath to take care of anything that needs touchup.

I did the Axle on, what I'm now calling "The Mrs Workbench".

I'm now planning to get a satellite dish on the Dog House, since I'll be rooming there awhile.



   
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@junky, if you are a VCCA member, I suggest you contact the Technical Advisor for 1929 Chevy trucks. His contact info is in the G&D magazine, on the page before the classified ads. he has a number of '29 1 1/2 ton trucks and he sells parts off them. 

Also, I know of a couple of guys who have 1928 LP parts trucks (rolling chassis) who might be interesting in selling some pieces. I don't know what is common to your truck and these (besides the front axle), but it's another option for parts.

Send me a Private Message (PM) if you want contact info for the guys who own the LP trucks.

Cheers, Dean


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@rustoholic 

Thanks Dean!  I was lucky to have found one by way of eBay.  But I will keep this info in mind when I soon tackle the steering box.

Thanks again!  G



   
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    FYI;   Front Axle #362291 fits 1928 & 1929 AB, AC, LP & LQ (Not LO).   I tried the Heat & Hammer over 40 years ago and it did shrink the king pin hole but it needed to be reamed back to round for the king pin bushings.   There was a recent article, on this forum, on steering gear repair.              

Good Luck!       



   
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