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I know that there are purests, and ‘make it work’ opinions here at VCCA. My inventory of vehicles are a turnkey 1930 coupe I drive every few days, a 1928 coach and a 1928 sedan that need restoration which have new wood structures. My engine inventory is three 1926 and two 1928 blocks that need complete machining, along with two transmissions. Have two complete spare 1930 six cylinder engines and transmissions that would run in a minute.

Would it be sacrilege putting a straight six in the 1928 vehicles? Or would this have been a modification that would have been done 96 years ago.

 


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With the history of hotrodding in the US I'd be surprised if it hasn't been done. If one has enough money and/or the necessary skills, anything is possible when it comes to modifying cars.


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One big question that comes to mind is if the inline 6 will fit in the '28. There might need to be major changes to shoehorn it in there. 

The '28 engine compartment is 4 inches longer than a '27. I believe they originally wanted to get the 6 into the '28 vehicles, but the engine was not ready in time for the 1928 start of the model year.

I also remember hearing that the engine compartment was lengthened some more for 1929, so I suggest measuring the engine compartments before doing anything else.

Most everything changed in 1929, so I would expect that an inline 6 would not mate up or play well with the rest of the '28 driveline.

If you find that the changes are too great, it would be better to build up a '28 engine. There are plenty of used ones around. I know one guy who has a couple of dozen Chevy four bangers and I'm sure a number of them are '28s.

To get an idea of what is involved in building a '28 engine, here's a link to the old forum, where I describe my 2017 build of a 1928 engine for my truck Lurch: https://vccachat.org/ubbthreads.php/topics/386451/resurrecting-a-28-4-banger.html

Cheers, Dean


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Are there 4 cylinder distributors that have some advancing capability without needing the steering column lever? Or a way to backfit the original distributor? 

Having three car projects going at once these random questions come up. 



   
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I only use the spark retard/advance lever when starting the vehicle. Basically, you put the spark lever in the fully retarded position (on a truck, you pull it all the way down towards you). After the engine starts, you push the spark lever to the fully advanced position (for a truck, all the way up, away from you). Then, drive away! 😉

The '28 distributor has advance weights built in that increase the advance when you hit around 22 miles per hour. Totally automagically.

Here's a link to a post on the old forum where I explain in greater detail my process for setting the timing of the distributor and for starting the vehicle: https://vccachat.org/ubbthreads.php/topics/450864/re-1928-1-ton-lp-truck.html#Post450864

Hope this helps. Dean

 


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I have pictures of an inline 6 in a 28 Chevy. The firewall needed modification to make it fit.



   
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@ronald-s-beam, do you know the model year of the six cylinder engine and whether it bolted up to the four cylinder transmission?

Thanks, Dean


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    The 1929 used most of the 1928 drive line according to part numbers.   Despite the extra length under the 1928 hood, it's not enough to accommodate the 1929 engine.   The 1937 - 54 engine is approximately an inch shorter than the 1929 - 36 engine.    The 28 engine is aprox 24".  The 37 is aprox 32".  The 37 engine will fit under the 28 hood without the radiator.    

 



   
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Apologize for not getting back sooner. The two 6cyl engines are 1930 vintage and electric start. The bell housings I have from the 1928 transmissions (maybe 1926) are not bumped out for electric starters. 

I do have two 1930 transmissions but found that one is missing the clutch. Hopefully will find it in the barn on the next trip to pick up more of the parts I acquired.

 

edit: did look at the older engines, and they are set up for an electric starter. For them it is on the drivers side of the engine. The 6 cyls have the starter on the passenger side. The transmissions from 1928 look identical to the 1930 ones. Need to research if the couple of 1928 clutches will work with 1930 engines/transmissions.


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This is an interesting concept. I have a project that I could do something similar so I saved the remains of a 29 cowl with the stamped two piece firewall bump out. That could be carefully welded into a 28 cowl to make everything fit. Yes the 1928, and 1929 transmission have the same bolt pattern. You would have to use the 1930 bell housing, clutch cover, flywheel, pressure plate, starter etc. Pretty much everything back to that transmission including the pedals would have to be from the 1930. I think the bell housing mounts are slightly wider on a 1930 than a 1928 so you might have to change that a little bit too.

Let us know how you make out.

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Ron sent me the photos he has of the 6 cylinder crammed into a '28. He does not remember where he downloaded them from.

Since we can only add 10 photos to each post, I'll upload half of them into this post and the rest in the next post.  He doesn't know the year of the 6 banger.

Dean

28ChevWith6Cyl 1bil
28ChevWith6Cyl 2PC230001s
28ChevWith6Cyl 3PC230002s
28ChevWith6Cyl 4PC230003s
28ChevWith6Cyl 5PC230004s
28ChevWith6Cyl 6PC230005s
28ChevWith6Cyl 7PC230006s

 

 


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Here are the rest of Ron's photos.

Dean

28ChevWith6Cyl 8PC230007s
28ChevWith6Cyl 9PC230008s
28ChevWith6Cyl 10PC230009s
28ChevWith6Cyl 11PC230010s
28ChevWith6Cyl 12PC230011s
28ChevWith6Cyl 13PC230016s
28ChevWith6Cyl 14PC230018s

 


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Dean "Rustoholic" Meltz
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Lurch -1927 LM one ton truck - tinyurl.com/Lurch-VCCACHAT-Gallery
Justin - 1928 AB Canopy Express (1/2 ton truck) - tinyurl.com/Justin-Stovebolt-Gallery


   
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I'm guessing that engine to be a 1932 or 1933. Love that air cleaner. Is the car located in the U.S.A. or in "Another Land". My guess is the latter.

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The only thing I can contribute about a clue as to 'where' this car originated is that it was somewhere where the driver is on the left side.

Cheers, Dean


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Lurch -1927 LM one ton truck - tinyurl.com/Lurch-VCCACHAT-Gallery
Justin - 1928 AB Canopy Express (1/2 ton truck) - tinyurl.com/Justin-Stovebolt-Gallery


   
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