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1929 Chev Truck 5 inch excessive steering wheel play

 

Junky
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I'm looking for input/guidance.

My “29” Chevy 1-1/2 Ton Truck steering has roughly 5 to 5 ½ inch wheel play when I'm driving on the road (not a good feeling but is this normal for this box). But now I have the front wheels off the ground and when I rotate the steering wheel, the front wheels start to turn when I rotate the steering wheel about 1 to 1-1/2 inch. This demonstrates the forces of ground weight of the truck to the steering box components vs the no load on the box when the truck is off the ground. The forces to the steering box components act differently, but by how much to be expected is the question for an adjustment (wear vs adjustments).

I'm expecting to remove the steering box components per the “Chevrolet Repair Manual” page 104, but my not having any past experience with rebuilding or repairing steering boxes, I'm curious as to what I'm looking for that could lead me to my excessive steering wheel play. Since I would have the steering box components removed, I would want to replace any items that are available in the market place.

The steering box has flowable grease.  I cracked open the box cover plate and revealed the flowable grease.

Before I begin, does anyone have input for me? It would be greatly appreciated!

 

PS. I have never, in the past, repaired a steering box unit. Back in the 60's, when I came across a bad steering box, I just went to the junkyard and picked up a replacement which “always” treated me well. Boy, was I lucky!

 



   
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Steve Dalphonse
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Sounds like a complete steering checkup is due-wheel bearings, drag link. and tie rod adjustment. My manual says zero backlash which is probably not likely on something that old but 4-5 inches at the wheel would scare the crap out of me. I think 1/8-1/4 would be good . The manual says to check with the gear in the straight ahead position but due to wear if adjusted to zero the box most likely will bind when turning. The trick is to take out as much free play as possible without the box binding when turning. 


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Stovblt
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Hi Junky

Steve has given you good advice.

Check EVERYTHING.  🙂

Right from the king pins up.  (And wheel bearings as Steve said.)

And even make sure that the pitman arm  is tight on the shaft.  (I've seen that before.)

It's been a long time since my '29 has been on the road, but I remember taking the car up to 50 mph cruising down our crappy rural highway and not being scared at all. 


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Junky
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Great advice!  I will check everything first before tackling the steering box.

I've only taken the truck out three times, say one mile total and for road curves the large play makes me feel like I'm not sure if I'm going to make the turn.  But, it does.  It's important to reduce this over play.

Did anyone get the difference in play versus the wheels on or off the ground?  Did this make any sense to the possible issue?



   
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Hello Junky,

With the weight of the vehicle pressing down on the tires to the ground, there is much fraction to overcome to steer those tires left or right when not moving. ( Power steering changes that but not applicable here.) So, all the components involved in the steering system that are loose and worn will move before you get any tire left or right movement. This shows up as steering wheel play. As you start moving the friction becomes less and left/right steering is easier. With the tires off the ground, the tire to ground friction is gone and so the steering components don't have to overcome resistance to steer the tires and don't display as much wear movement, thus less steering wheel play. If you have help, have someone hold onto a steering tire that's off the ground to resist left/right movement. You should get more steering wheel play than you would if no-one were holding the tire.  



   
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The tie-rod ends have springs in them to reduce steering shock when the tires hit a hole or object. In addition any wear on the pitman shaft and bushings will let the shaft move up and down before the arm actually begins to move the steering arms. Finally any gaps between the pitman gear and the steering shaft gear will result in steering wheel movement that does not result in rotating the pitman shaft. The movement can be reduced but not eliminated. Some movement it engineered into the steering system. Far different than modern steering gear.


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To go along with Harry and Chip, when my 38 was restored we looked at the steering and adjusted it to manual spec.. On the ground I still had 3-4" of side to side play and 0 play with the wheels in the air. There's enough play engineered into the system that you'll never get 0 play with the wheels on the ground unless you replace the stock system with modern.


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My '31 had a lot of play when I got it. I adjusted all of the linkages, better but still excessive play. I read the manual about adjusting the steering box several times, but could never get it adjusted right. So I took the box out and opened it up. The PO used sticky bearing grease, so I had to clean all of that out. Once I did that, I played with the adjustments so that I understood what each did and the interplay between them. Filled the box with John Deere Corn Head grease (I think that's what it's called) and adjusted it for minimal play w/o binding at the limits. Now I have 1 - 1.5 in. steering wheel play. YMMV



   
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Yes, John Deere Corn Head grease is a self-leveling grease that is good for steering boxes. Here's a good video about that grease: https://youtu.be/7zNhli-J0Gk

I squirted a lot of JDCH grease into my '28 steering box (using a plastic ear syringe from a Pharmacy), but then added a few squirts of Mobil 600W into the box to make sure it was a slurry in there.

Even with the oil mixed in, the slurry is thick enough to NOT leak out of the old shaft seals. 

😉  Dean


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Junky
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Sorry, I've been away from this posting.  As I read the replies, since the front end was off the ground, I checked the king pins and there is serious play of movement.  As you would see the Knuckle Joint move/rotate an 1/8 inch as you try to twist the tire in the vertical position (pushing the top of the tire in towards the engine and then pulling back).  Lots of movement which is the indication of replacement. The king pins and bushings will need replacement and then I will move on from there to see how much steering wheel play was reduced.  I'll keep you all posted.  Thanks for the advice. Very much appreciated.



   
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