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#76489 - 12/13/02 01:00 AM
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It has become obvious that many of the members on the Chevy Chat have not been involved with the VCCA for very long or may not even be members. Therefore, they have missed a truckload of very informative information that has been published in the Generator and Distributor over the years. Just one of those items was the series of articles I did on car radios from about 1985 through 1990. Consideration is being given to uploading those articles to the Columbia River Region VCCA Website. While that is being massaged, I am going to attempt to make a fairly regular posting under a new heading “Show and Tell”. This is the first posting. Available to Chevrolet dealers was a waiting room radio. This radio consisted of two units. A tuning unit, that was placed by an armchair or sofa, and a radio receiver unit that was placed somewhere in the room, probably on a table. The combination unit carried the “GM” logo. Introduction was about 1931. On the left is the tuning unit. In essence this was a transmitter. This unit could tune in a station and the signal sent to the receiver by a multi wire cable. This cable was 35 feet in length; therefore the tuner could be placed in the room that distance from the receiver. On the right is the receiver and was referred to as the “Little General”. This unit could operate as a normal AM radio receiver and tune the entire broadcast band. To receive the signal from the tuning unit it was tuned to the transmitted frequency, on the low end of the dial at about 600KC. This is the tuning unit. You can see the tuning dial near the top of the device. The large knob was the tuning knob. The tuning range was 600KC through 1500KC. The bottom small knob is the ON/OFF/Volume control and only controlled the ON/OFF function for the tuning device, but actually controlled the volume of the receiver. This was done electrically by means of the 35 foot interconnecting cable. This is the top of the tuning unit. Note the “GM” logo in the center. There is no agreement among the collectors as to the placement of an ashtray on top of the device. It does make sense, as the top is shaped like and is the approximate height, of a chair side ashtray. This unit either had the glass ashtray or smoking was not allowed in this waiting room, as the top is still in very nice condition. The tuning unit contains two vacuum tubes. A transformer in the base of the unit powers the heaters. The high voltage is taken from the receiver. These are the controls of the “Little General”. Note again the “GM” logo at the bottom of the dial. The left knob is the ON/OFF/Volume for the receiver. The lower knob is the tuning knob. The right hand knob is the tone control. Unfortunately this unit has not been restored. Cabinet restoration is not my strong point. Note the ugly scratches in the right portion of the picture. The tuning unit that I own came from a dealership in California. I know some history about it but not as much as I would like. The tuning unit was located in the attic of the dealership. The receiver unit “Little General” was located for me by a radio collector here in Vancouver after a long search. He has located several extremely rare radios for me over the years. If you would like me to focus on a particular Chevrolet car radio, let me know and I will attempt it. My collection and interest is only from 1932 for the Chevrolet car radios, and a few years earlier for the pre-Chevrolet radios (GM and UMS), through 1964. After that year they are just RADIOS. 
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#76492 - 12/13/02 07:04 AM
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Registered: 09/15/02
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Loc: Bracebridge Onatrio,Canada
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This is very fascinating and much appreciated material. I think your show and tell series is great.
I would like to see one of your earliest radios, and maybe some details about how many stages were used etc., maybe even a peek inside to see all that hand wiring! I just can't get enough of these old radios and technology. They didn't have computer programs to help them with these designs and that makes them all the more amazing!
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#76495 - 12/18/02 01:58 PM
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Registered: 09/15/02
Posts: 810
Loc: Bracebridge Onatrio,Canada
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I have seen aircraft engines and other equipment made by GM during the war but I didn't know that Chevrolet had their own branded products? Did the other divisions of GM have this too?
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#76498 - 12/28/02 10:30 AM
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Registered: 12/02/01
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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Although not too prevalent, some accessories that are correct for Chevrolet application do not display the Bowtie. Instead they are marked GM. Examples are the interior temperature gage, the compass, the battery-charging unit, fender markers, paint touch up units, and several more. This was most evident in the 30’s. So it is not too strange to find a series of portable radios that were available in late 30’s early 40’s which carry a GM logo. The first of these radios appeared in 1939. Strangely, it did not even sport the GM or Chevrolet logo. However, inside the radio it was marked with the model number, which is in sequence with the model numbers for the car radios in 1939. This radio was actually marked on the front as a COLONIAL. Then in 1940 another portable radio became available. This radio did sport the GM logo on the face and again was listed among the accessories available for 1940, and the model number was again in sequence with the car radios. And so things went, another GM portable radio in 1941, and the last one in 1942. Apparently none of these radios saw widespread distribution. In almost every case where they are listed in the accessories list for each year, the price is not listed, and most of the special bulletins pertaining to these radios do not list either a cost to the dealer nor a suggested sale price. This is the 1940 GM Model 985651 and is coded P1. It is an AC/DC or battery radio. It has 5 tubes, one of which is used for the AC/DC function along with a ballast resister. The case is wood and is finished. The antenna is the familiar loop wire type.
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#76499 - 12/29/02 05:10 AM
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Registered: 09/15/02
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Loc: Bracebridge Onatrio,Canada
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What were the typical batteries for this ? My guess is 2 x 45V, and a series of drycells making up 6 V for the heaters. I am trying to remember whether the 67 1/2 V battery was a more modern invention.
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#76502 - 01/04/03 04:20 PM
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Registered: 12/02/01
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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John, Nothing like getting sent to the books for a workout. This goes way back in the history of the radio business and into an area that I did the research some 20 years ago. Took me a while to dig out some of my notes that will permit me to give a more accurate answer. To refresh your memory this is the radio unit that is being discussed in this post. The General Motors Radio Corporation manufactured this waiting room radio. The plate mounted on the radio chassis on the backside attests to this And the sticker on the speaker frame. The tuning unit also bears similar markings when the cover is removed. The Model number is 281 and the serial number is 1062 R-1 In the book “The Turning Wheel”, The Story of General Motors Through Twenty-Five Years 1908-1933, By Arthur Pound, published in 1934, the description of General Motors Radio Corporation is described as follows: General Motors entered the radio field primarily to develop and produce radios for automobile use in the expectation that radio would become standard equipment in all its cars. The Corporation bought into an already existing Dayton plant, licensed under RCA patents, and in that way entered the wider radio market, the plan being to have General Motors radios sold by its car dealers. This arrangement did not prove commercially successful, and the above company quit radio production in 1931. The Twenty-First Annual Report of General Motors Corporation for Year Ended December 31, 1929 reports that the General Motors Radio Corporation was organized in the latter part of year 1929. The Twenty-Second Annual Report of General Motors gives the mission statement for the General Motors Radio Corporation as: “Radio receivers for household use and for installation in automobiles and motor boats, combination radio sets and phonographs, amplifying units for use with receivers, and other radio accessories”. The Twenty-Third Annual Report for year ending December 31, 1931, continues to list the General Motors Radio Corporation, and is carried on the books at $2,550,000.00. It would be interesting if someone who collects other GM (Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Cadillac) cars from the GM line could report as to any of the accessories that carry the GM logo. Are these items listed as accessories and do they carry the same part number? 
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#76504 - 01/04/03 07:09 PM
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Backyard Mechanic
Registered: 12/15/01
Posts: 220
Loc: San Jose, CA
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Another non-vehicle-related GM radio product. Ebay Item #2152537566 
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#76505 - 01/05/03 01:38 PM
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Registered: 12/15/02
Posts: 224
Loc: california
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hello ray thanks for this information on the 1940 portable radio. i have seen a dealer picture with this radio for sale with a 24.95 price tag attached to it , im waiting to get a copy will submit a picture when i can, thanks
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#76507 - 01/05/03 02:05 PM
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Registered: 10/26/02
Posts: 919
Loc: Rochester, N.Y.
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Another non-vehicle-related GM radio product.
Ebay Item #2152537566 RustyFender: According to a chart I have for patent issuances, the patent number for this radio was issued in 1919. Of course, patents were granted for 17 years and a small change could have extended it for another 17, but I would guess that this radio wasn't offered for too long, so early 20's vintage would seem correct. Beautiful & interesting piece! Thanks for pointing it out to us.  -Bob
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#76509 - 01/06/03 12:13 AM
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Registered: 12/02/01
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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Hi Guys, We have three subjects going here at one time so let’s see if we can sort them out. D2d2 If you can’t purchase the patent, you purchase the company. Don’t know specifically what patent was involved; however RCA was one of the pioneers in radio and obviously held something very important. Rusty Fender & Bowtie Bob, The item on ebay that you directed us to is the exact type product that the General Motors Radio Corporation was organized to produce. As for the date of the item. Since GMRC was organized in 1929 and disbanded in 1931 (See the extracts above from the GM Annual Reports) the item must be somewhere in that time frame. Calmcar, Take a look here . 
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#76510 - 01/06/03 08:13 AM
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Registered: 10/26/02
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Loc: Rochester, N.Y.
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AntiqueMechanic: The patent number on the radio in question has a patent date of 1,302,344. According to the US Patent Office records, patent number 1,290,027 was issued in 1919 and number 1,329,352 was issued in 1920, so the patent for the radio was issued in the '19 / '20 era. GM must have purchased the company that held the patent. The patent would have been good for 17 years, or up to approx. 1937. In any event, thanks for clarifying the GMRC dates of '29 - '31. I had missed that information, above.  -Bob
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#76512 - 01/06/03 12:39 PM
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Registered: 12/02/01
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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The Corporation bought into an already existing Dayton plant, licensed under RCA patents, Since the Corporation (GMRC) only existed from 1929 to 1931 it would appear obvious that the radio in question could only be manufactured during that period. The patent then must have been included in the purchase of the Dayton plant and was most likely an RCA patent. 
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#76513 - 01/06/03 03:26 PM
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Registered: 12/14/01
Posts: 11880
Loc: Central Texas
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FYI,.....The patent that has the U.S, Patent #1,302,344 is not for the radio it self but instead is issued to John Fenton of Oakland Ca. in 1919 for a method of produceing ornamental releif on a wooden box, as for the filligee work on the front of the radio cabinet. Now why not get this thread back on line and discuss whatever it started out to discuss? I assume it had something to do with Chevrolet?
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#76515 - 01/21/03 11:50 AM
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Registered: 12/17/01
Posts: 75
Loc: Roseto, PA
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Don't know what the heck that is for but the other head bolt in the picture is also incorrect!!!
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#76516 - 01/21/03 12:27 PM
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Loc: Vancouver, Washington
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#76517 - 01/21/03 07:15 PM
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Registered: 12/15/01
Posts: 220
Loc: San Jose, CA
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Noting that the grade 8 bolt on the left is not original, could it be a tool used in the process of aligning/installing a 1/2-13 helicoil? -R 
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#76518 - 01/22/03 01:40 AM
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Registered: 01/14/02
Posts: 223
Loc: Cowra N.S.W. Australia
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I KNOW , It's a Boyce Motor Meter headbolt to hold the temperature sender unit, to tell the steering column mounted temperature guage how hot the motor is. Jim
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#76519 - 01/22/03 12:11 PM
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Registered: 12/02/01
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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Congratulations to our friends 'down under' for the correct identification of the special head bolt. Several years ago I purchased this NOS Boyce Motor Meter from a prior Chevrolet employee. Although the box is a little ragged from wear, it was totally complete with the device, the grommet for the firewall, the clip for the lip of the dash and most importantly, the installation instructions. Here is the complete device. The bulb at the end of the braded wire is what mounts in the head bolt shown earlier. A few drops of oil are placed in the receptacle before the bulb is inserted and tightened. The electrical wire is connected to the dash lights. This is the face of the meter as viewed from the driver's seat. In the center is a window that displays a green signal. When the heat gets too high the window turns to red. A bulb, connected to the dash lights for night operation, illuminates the face. These are the instructions dated 4-12-28 and the vehicle illustrated is unmistakablely the 1928 Chevrolet. The third head bolt on the left is replaced with the special head bolt, allowing the connection to the engine. 
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#76520 - 01/22/03 12:15 PM
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#76522 - 03/28/03 12:31 PM
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Looks like we need some more action on this thread before it comes unraveled. So here we go with some more Show and Tell. DuKane is a name that should be familiar with Chevrolet enthusiasts. They are responsible for producing the training aids used by Chevrolet for training purposes. Although this item is not a training aid, it is another item made by the DuKane Company. This is the DuKane Model 15A191 Musical Horn. This horn plays “See the USA in your Chevrolet”. The main control unit is on the right. The activation button in the center and the Model 5C25 horn on the left. This DuKane unit, from my collection, came with complete mounting hardware, mounting instructions for mounting in 1965 Chevrolet, schematic, a copy of the blueprint, and operating instructions. The schematic and blueprint indicates that the unit was dreamed up on 1-4-64. In a letter to me from DuKane they stated that the unit was produced as a result of an order from GM. Further, the unit was only available to the dealer and no additional units were produced after the initial contract. (Units left over at the end of the contract were GIVEN to the employees). The last blueprint in my possession shows 4 modifications during the production. This is the soundboard. The horn is a combination of electrical and mechanical. The arm noted in the center rotates clockwise and makes contact with the soundboard in sequence. To play “See the USA in your Chevrolet” requires one revolution of the arm and then it stops automatically. In the letter from DuKane they stated that 4 soundboards were designed. If you look on the lower right of the board you will see “Chevrolet”. In addition to this board, Greyhound, Anchors Away, and Merry Oldsmobile were produced. This is the circuit board for the horn. The first printed circuit board used by Chevrolet was in the 1956 Pushbutton Radio. The following year the first transistor appeared in the 1957 PB radio. With this experience and technology available the combination of the two in 1964 allowed big things to happen in a small box. The 4 adjusting screws at the bottom of the board produced the 4 musical notes necessary to sound “See the USA in your Chevrolet”. In the center right is the DC motor that moved the control arm across the sounding board. On the circuit board were controls to adjust the volume and speed of the control arm. The unit drew its power from the vehicle 12-Volt battery. 
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#76523 - 03/28/03 05:30 PM
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Registered: 12/15/01
Posts: 220
Loc: San Jose, CA
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Very nice! And interpreting the note labels on the copper strips of the sound board along with their relative durations, one can hum the tune in his head. The initial A followed by G# are partially obscured by the arm. Given the availability of copper-clad circuit boards today and using an etching solution, it wouldn't be too hard to replace the sound board with something more interesting. (La Cucaracha?) -R 
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#76529 - 04/07/03 11:11 PM
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Registered: 01/15/03
Posts: 2319
Loc: Bowtie, CA
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antique mechanic, thanks for sharing the story & photos of the dukane musical horn... my '30 roadster delivery has this switch mounted under the dashboard...when chevy borrowed this vehicle from the previous owner to put on a national tour in 1970, they installed one of these units (they must have had a 12v battery set up somewhere to drive the musical horn)... unfortunately, all that's left is the switch & some wiring running back under the bed... it's fun to see what that unit actually looked like & how it worked...  epi
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#76530 - 04/08/03 03:22 PM
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Registered: 12/25/01
Posts: 1228
Loc: Canton, OH
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1949-1954 Tool kit. Just an FYI. I have seen alot of original NOS tool kits from '49-'54 with a mixing of both Vlchek and McKaig-Hatch open end wrenches in the same kit. Three open end wrenches were put in each kit: 3/8" x 7/16", 1/2" x 9/16" and 5/8" x 3/4". I spoke with one VCCA owner, of a 1951 Chevy with an original NOS tool kit in it. Note: His 1951 tool kit was in the rectangular cardboard box. He wanted to get rid of one of the open end wrenches, because it was McKaig-Hatch. He wanted to acquire a Vlchek wrench so that it would match the other 2 Vlchek open end wrenches. I informed him that Chevrolet was in the business of selling cars, and it was not high on their priority list to make sure that the 3 open end wrenches were all manufactured by the same supplier. After that discussion, he was once again a happy and satisfied 1951 Chevrolet owner.
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#76531 - 12/12/03 12:12 AM
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Registered: 12/02/01
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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We haven’t had a SHOW AND TELL for sometime so here is one that will ignite you (pun intended). Notice that the Ajax, Blazer, Rex and Texas have a Chevrolet Bowtie on them. The Hastings plug (shown in both pictures) says “for chev replacement” Bet you don’t see a lot of these plugs around. [img] http://home.comcast.net/~chev33radio/SparkPlug1[/img] [img] http://home.comcast.net/~chev33radio/SparkPlug2[/img] 
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#76533 - 12/12/03 07:51 PM
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Backyard Mechanic
Registered: 01/14/02
Posts: 223
Loc: Cowra N.S.W. Australia
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Hi Guys is that rex plug (last of the pictures)a tapered thread ?I didn't think that chevrolet used tapered thread plugs only T **** 's .
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#220672 - 10/04/11 03:22 AM
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Registered: 10/04/11
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Loc: reno nv usa
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i have a dukane model 15a191 musical horn fully intact,..,..,im having a hard time finding out what it might be worth .,..,im interested in selling it asap.,.,.,can anybody help me with any info?? pleasssse??
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