Even in a fancy ad it looks like blackwalls were the way to go in '32 (even this Deluxe (?) model).

Wonder how many restored ones have blackwalls today? :rolleyes:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2203500950&category=14053#ebayphotohosting

Maybe I can save some $$$.

You'll also notice the car does not have chrome doors on the hood. I have a photo of a 1931 dealer show room and the roadster and cabriolet have double white side walls. White on the inside and outside. They were still available in the late 60's and early 70's. I don't know of a source for double whites today.

Double whitewall tires are still being made today and Coker Tire and Universal Tire has them in stock. Until about 1938 or 1939 whitewall tires were double whitewalls, not single, and whitewall tires were an aftermarket accessory installed by the dealer if requested by the new car owner.

Also, note the placement of the tail light assembly, the configeration of the sidemount "T" handle and the convertible top laying on the rear quarter.

I called Coker and they said that they don't have any 19" double side walls for my '31. That's what's on there now but they are too old to drive on safely.

Try Universal Tire Company. I ordered my double whitewall tires from them for my 1930 Chevy sport coupe, and it uses the same tire size as 1931.

Hello everyone,

There is also another interesting feature to this picture. Looks like it is a right hand drive model with no cowl lights! Since the company name is "Atlantic Union Oil Co, LTD. Could this be from the UK?

When was the last time anyone say a 1932 Standard roadster anywhere? Now that might cause a stir at a meet!!

The ad is from Australia.......that's why the '32 roadster is right-hand drive.

Australia and the company is "Atlantic", guess they thought the Atlantic covered more then than today.

I need something cleared up for me that is so simple I feel a little foolish asking; the VCCA would like the cars to be "as delivered to the dealer" or "as delivered to buyer"? Or as "could have been delivered to a buyer"?

If the accessory is "dealer installed" it has to be for that model and that model year, right? Or did dealers install older accessories or ones that were meant for the next years' car?

All accessories were dealer installed. The dealer could install either genuine Chevrolet accessories or aftermarket accessories, depending upon the buyer's choice. However, for judging, as I understand it, only the correct genuine Chevrolet accessories authorized for that particular model year are acceptable. Aftermarket accessories are not and points should be deducted.

I think (IMHO)that the defintion of an original 1000 point car (as originally sold)(or as delivered to the dealer)? or (as it possibly could have been delivered to the first owner)? and if the dealer installed an aftermarket accessory it would be allowed, many cars that have several accessories added 75 years after it's model year are allowed now, but only if it is "Chevrolet" This problem should be hammered out by the judging committee, printed in bold type in the Judging manual, and then the judging should follow along those boundries.

On page 4 of the Judging Manual it states "The owner,thru the use of Genuine Chevrolet literature and documents, must validate the accessory appointments.Owners are encouraged to have the literature available at meets along with the mandatory owners manual.Its the owners responsibility to provide this documentation to validate authentic accessories if a question exists.Accessory manuals and literature will aid in this process".Also in the interior judging section it lists ""check for GM issue" pertaining to radios and heaters.

This brings up another question..Many 1949-54 Chevrolets have Pontiac outside visors installed (and some Oldsmobile).These are of GM issue but not shown in Chevtolet literature-should points be deducted for incorrect visors??There are other accessories that fall into this catagory-such as fog lights etc.

Good point, MrMack, no pun intended. This has been a sore point (pun intended) for me and other VCCA members. In the real world dealers sold all kinds of parts and accessories, some were approved by Chevrolet Motor Co. and some were not.

Another question, Would a copy or the original invoice from a Chevrolet dealer showing the accessorys included with the delivery of a new car be a valid document? like for Michelin tires exchanged for Goodyear tires or a Reese load leveling hitch receiver on a 1970 Caprice wagon or a 1976 big 10 Camper Special 4x4 surb.?

I think a judge would soon tire of all of these "What if?" questions and decide NOT to work as a VCCA judge. Maybe that is a underlying problem with our Judging program?, and maybe not?

So...let me see if I understand;

---any accessory that is Chevrolet and available in the production year of a car is "ok" even if the accessory was never on the car;

---any accessory that is GM and available in the production year of a car and installed by the dealer is "ok";

---any accessory available in the production year of a car and can be "proved" is "considered" and may or may not be approved by the judges;

I have purchased new cars after the production year ended and had the dealer install accessories available for the newer year car, would that be "ok"? What if I had older accessories installed by the dealer when I buy the car?

Looks like the way to a 1,000 point car would be to have one that is "stripped down", w/o any accessories. Fewer parts = the fewer things to go wrong.

Gator, I think you hit on it towards the end of your post. The less you mess with the accessories the better off you are for judging. Once the car receives whatever awards you are content with, then install whatever you want. It's your car!
I have seen Standard Roadsters in person at a few shows years ago. That's probably how most roadsters were bought. They were the cheapest cars offered by Chevy. Most buyers would want to keep the deal inexpensive.
Just this Summer I saw a 32 Deluxe Sedan with a realy cool defroster mounted on the inside near the sun visor. I asked the owner about it and he said it was an accessory for 32. Well I don't know for sure, but it was cool and he was done with showing at major shows. What's the differance? I don't care, it's his car...

I will comment as a VCCA member only. I am a member of the Judging Committee and the National Board but am not commenting as a representative of either group only as a VCCA member.

Let's get a bit practical and not try to take the judging issue to its extremes.

First the judging takes place on a field or parking lot normally under a baking sun. There are several other vehicles that a team of judges must evaluate. With a suggested 10-15 minutes for each vehicle the process typically takes 2-3 hours for each team. Then tabulation, correction of errors and selection of the major award winners would take more time typically 2-3 more hours. By that time it is 3-4 PM. If the judging of each individual vehicle were to take twice as much time (because of time to research documents as an example) several likely differences would occur. 1. The judging would be more accurate. 2. The owner would likely be more satisfied. 3. Fewer people would volunteer to judge. 4. The resultant time would more than double! 5. It would quickly destroy the judging process, as we know it.

Second
If accessories other than those approved by Chevrolet are acceptable then more confusion and difficulty in documentation will be introduced into the process. If GM accessories that are intended for other models are accepted then at least in some (if not most) cases some modifications would be required. It would also expand the documentation and training requirements. If non-GM accessories were accepted then "Katie bar the door." We would open the "acceptable" to anything that an owner cared to claim was available to a dealer at the time the vehicle was sold. If that was one, two, three, ten, twenty, thirty, sixty or ? years later
then we could accept power steering, air conditioning on vehicles for which it was not originally available. An owner could claim that his high performance carburation, exhaust, tires, suspension, trick paint job, roll bar, safety harness, etc. was available to the dealer since it was on the market. It is agreed that the above scenarios is bordering on the absurd but in the over 30 years in the VCCA I have witnessed owners that have made claims or registered complaints nearly as ridiculous. How many other pieces of literature would be required to document the additional accessories? How would we train the judges? Do we really want to go there?

I have discussed with several people a special judging standard that would attempt to critically evaluate a few vehicles per year. It would be strictly by the numbers with several hours spent on each vehicle. It is envisioned to be performed by "experts" for the year and model and hopefully it would represent the pinnacle of Chevrolet restoration and preservation. Some have given verbal support but not real effort. Is it something worth working toward?

Well Chipper, maybe we ought to just let well enough alone, after all judging at a VCCA Show is "just for fun". The National Club doesn't have to put out a lot of cash and the top cars only receive a small award for the ones judged better than some mythical pie in the sky dreamed up value . It isn't like it is for live or die, blood or money!
Right?


Maybe this could be considered what some call "Stirring the pot"???

Holy Cow Chipper Dipper! You have worn me out just reading about your judging scenario. If you need a break, come to the NW Meets for rest and relaxation. Since only 19 to 21 cars are judged the process only takes an hour or so. And, in talking to some of the judges they actually find it refreshing!

And, I totally agree with you about the aftermarket accessories. The genuine Chevrolet accessories for each particular year are hard enough to keep track of during the judging process, and things don't need to be more complicated by trying to figure out thousands of additional aftermarket accessories that fit on several different brands of cars besides Chevrolets!

I was justing wondering about the direction of the club in terms of keeping the cars "like they were".

Gator,
You just might aughta keep the bumpers on. That is unless you find the screws that fit in the holes. Yes there were 9/16x12 round head screws that were put into the holes in the end of the frame if bumpers were not ordered from the factory. (And even if ordered the bumpers were not installed to save space in the rail cars. Dealers actually installed the bumpers. I assume that when ordered with bumpers the screws might have been left off. And further the dealer mechanics threw the unneeded screws in a box or trash.) Ever seen any of them? The only place I have seen them is in the back of 1/2 ton trucks that did not have bumpers. All other '31 or '32 vehicles that I have seen and consider original have had bumpers installed.

Since bumpers were accessories, there are some film strips that show 1932 Chevys without bumpers. But, like the Chipper Dipper, every original '31 and '32 that I have seen had bumpers.

I suppose it might be settled from a real old-timer who could recall it first hand, but perhaps the definition of a bumper as technically a "dealer accessory" in 1932 was pretty much in name instead of reality? That is, just like in recent times you get charged for a radio or a passenger side mirror as a "dealer accessory", the bumpers were more or less necessary items that were already installed by the time the car was out on the lot?

But could you get the car cheaper then w/o bumpers?

Also I have heard that there wasn't a tire on the spare rim unless you got it as an accessory item, is this true?

Gator

Yup, you could get it cheaper.

For the years of this forum you are correct. Only a spare rim or wheel (in the case of wire wheel) was supplied. The tire and tube was supplied by the dealer or tire supplier. I don't know for sure if the rim or tire had the valve stem attached. I could make a case for either option but feel that likely a stem was not supplied.

Yes, since bumpers were an accessory they were sold at extra cost.