I thought this was a cool add on....especially for you west coast guys.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1932-Olympics-Licens...sspagenameZWDVW

How much does this type of thing (AAA, palm tree, etc.)on a licence plate cost you in points when judged? It not like an incorrect motor part or a wrong interior.

gator: i collect such license plate adornemnts and at 31 bucks, its a bargain. mike

Points??

I'd ding a guy the MAXIMUM. And if I could find a legitimate "reason" to, I'd take off even more. How ridiculous could a guy be to submit his car for judging with something like that on the car????

Especially considering it would have taken less than five minutes to remove it.

I think it's a totally cool item. But N-O-T for judging. Come on. Let's show a little respect for the guys that volunteer their time and expertise to judge the cars!!!

Bill.

I'd give you two points extra if you can prove its a 1932 original and you display it on a 1932 Chevrolet.

Like anything else it would depend on the judge. If it was my decision I would let it pass if the car is a 1932.Dealer tags and plates are accepted as long as they are correct for the period.

Sure it will go for much more than the $31.00

NAW....This isn't a dealer installed option !!! You let this pass and next thing would be those lodge tags all over the non stock radiator shield on a 28 and how about a authentic 1950's Car club plaque on a 1954 BelAire?
That would be a can of worms.

If you can have the wrong year engine with no points deducted, how is that different than having the wrong year license plate tag? Which do you feel is the more important to have correct of the two?

In 1932 the dealer could have been promoting the Olympics and installed the attachnemt.

I see cars being judged with American Flags,State Farm wings, and various other things as attachments-wonder if they get deducted?I have a VCCA oval on one of my cars..is that OK??

......THE ENGINE.....THE ENGINE......
THE ENGINE

I can see a difference between a naked girl mud flaps and an AAA symbol on a car.

Gene, I have wondered about the award ovals on cars; they weren't there when the car was new, so is there an official exception for ovals? Or maybe only VCCA ovals?

From what I understand, You must have the senior oval on your car to have It judged In the preservation class.

Gator,
I'm glad to know you noticed "a difference between a naked girl and mud flaps".

I'm still trying to figure out the difference between a fox tail and mud flaps?

Don is correct, the VCCA oval is required to be displayed on the car.

The other stuff is baloney.

Keep it off during judging.

Judging isn't really complicated Gator. I don't understand why you're trying to make it complicated. Just follow the 'rules' whether you like them or not.

Just follow the rules.

Bill.

So we take off for AACA ovals?

"Just follow the 'rules' whether you like them or not. Just follow the rules."

I don't think there would be a United States of America if people always had done that Bill. Sounds more like the motto of all of the totalitarian leaders that have lived instead.

Bill, I'd like to know abour the AACA ovals and VMCCA Gold Award. What do you say?

See you down the Back Roads.

Gator, Take notice. I do not know If you attended a VCCA judging school or participated in any meets. I did two years ago for the first time at our reginal northwest meet In Auburn Washington.The judging school was attended by Jim Farris, Ray holland, Bruce Deford and about sixty other chevy people, And I have to tell you that every single person, Weather they were going to have their car judged or not, Had nothing but good words to say about, What they learned and how the judging Is done. Steve Scott came to Auburn to put the judging school on. We had almost every person who attended the judging school,Become a participant In judging the cars the next day. I have since been a judge and have had my cars judged and have found It to be a fun thing to participate In. I also found that having my cars judged, That there were things that was not correct on my cars, Which gave me the Information to make corrections, Not to cut the car down for things that were wrong.But to give me a way to correct them. I think that If more people would get Involved In judging, Instead of steering away from It, That they would understand what judging Is about, And that they are really missing out on alot of fun and participation at meets they attend. Touring Is also one of the really fun things to participate In at meets. Being Involved In all aspects of being a VCCA member, Is what It Is all about, Instead of complaining about this and that.Get Involved at the VCCA meets, And who knows, It might just be the best fun you ever had. This Information Is directed to everyone. BE happy, Have Fun, Get Involved.

I feel the same as you Don, so I don't understand the comments...

I am not complaining about anything, all I (and others) wanted to know was if they would lose points if they left badges/ovals from other groups on their cars when showing at a VCCA meet.

You will not loose points for AACA badges....But if your car has previously earned a VCCA oval-Senior,Preservation or HPOCF - it must be displayed on the car and in the specified place.
At one time they didn't specify a place so mine are in different locations on all the cars.

For one car I ordered two of the oval mounting brackets sold in the G&D and have the AACA and VCCA ovals mounted on the ends of the front license plate.One to each side.On three of the cars their stuck to the dash/glove box door and one above the front license.

As far as judging is concerned....yes,it fun and not the evil thing that it is sometimes portrayed to be here.Its all done by humans so there will be mistakes and problems.

The thing that bothers me is that I don't think some would be too happy if they lost 2 points for a license attachement and had the correct engine and the car that is next to them got a first senior by 2 points and had an incorrect engine.Like a '31 engine in a '32.Thats the area that reqires rethinking.

Gator: The preface to the judging manual states in part:

C. Philosophy
"It is the owners’ understanding that when they decide to have their vehicles judged, that we, as club members, are comparing their vehicles to how the manufacturer delivered the vehicles to the dealer and (on) to the public."

D. Vehicle Requirements
"All non-authentic items on vehicles will receive appropriate deductions."

Cool answer Mr. JD

I bet you a silly response. (post count?)

I've always said, "do what you're told."

That's why these idiots on the TV news get in trouble. The cops say, 'vacate the area' and the idiots (rabble rousers) with nothing to lose, surge forward, instead of leaving.

If the coach said run 3 laps, you were to run 3 laps. Not walk, not goof off, not 2 laps.

If the DI said hit it and 20 pushups - that's what you were to do. (Even you should be able to understand that, Wayne.)

NOW, if you don't want to follow their rules (whoever "they" are), you never should have been "there" in the first place. If you don't like the VCCA judging 'rules' don't submit your car for judging.

I just think the rules are the rules and that's it. What the hell does that have to do with "totalitarian leaders??"

( "Sounds more like the motto of all of the totalitarian leaders that have lived instead." )

All clubs, organizations, churches, govt's, etc. etc. have 'rules.' Rules are to be followed, until they're changed. Changed by following the rules on how to change them.

I think there's lots of posting in here just so the "poster" can hear himself "talk."

Bill.

Where are you on the post count Bill?

"I think there's lots of posting in here just so the "poster" can hear himself "talk".

Ahhhh... posting count.... now you're in my ballfield.

Billy Boy

Hi Bill,

Make us all mad by turning off the senseless count. I'm also convinced there are a preponderance of posts for the "count". As you indicated, they really mean nothing.

Yeah Billy, The counting of posts is something that I see has no value except as an ego boost, get rid of them...I am counting posts.. one posts,...two posts,... three posts...I am de Count and I am counting posts.
Dis sounds like a game we kids used to play on a trip, before on board DVD players...count the telephone poles.

"Posting Counts"-- been involved with the Chatter for a couple years now and i too think there are one or two VCCA posters who do so to keep their # of posts high by posting unecessarily. however, the NCRS forum's method of tracking posts really encourages frequent postings---you can click on the "top 25 posters" button by the minute and see who's got the most posts in that time frame. About 99% of the ncrs posts are genuine attempts to get or give corvette-related info . there are a couple of ncrs members who post just to see themselves posting and keep their names in the "top 25 posters" list. I'd suspect 99.9% of the VCCA posts are genuine attempts to give or get info. my 2 cents. mike

I know a fellow with a truly awesome early Vette, who had it judged at an NCRS event.

When they saw his AACA Grand National & Senior Oval, and his VCCA Senior Oval on the front license plate - they deducted minimal points and told him - quote - "take the junk off the front license."

We all know NCRS is very extreme - but that is just petty crap.

A tasteful oval or award from any national club should be respected by any other club's judges. Obviously it is not "factory" - and obviously it is an honor for the car and owner.

I can say with reasonable certainty that no VCCA judge would ever deduct (for example) because an AACA oval is on the front of a great car. That's just silly. There is still room in judging for common sense and courtesy.

i don't know that NCRS is "extreme" but they definitly want a judged vette to "appear as it left St. louis or bowling green". that is and was their philosophy when the club was born in june of 74.i wouldn't, and haven't, deducted for an AACA plaque on any c-1 or c-2 vette i've judged in the last 31 years. i also wouldn't have referred to the plaque as "junk".Some judges are jerks, be they vette, chevy dodge, olds or F``d judges. NCRS has a few butt-holes but for the most part, the judges(volunteers and owners who've had their own cars on the judging field) are pretty good guys. there's a rotting apple in every bushel. BTW, NCRS gives bonus judging points for NCRS Windshield Decals, fire extinguishers, and Battery cut-off switches(which obviously didn't leave the factory). Been involved with NCRS since the git-go(member # 14) and just wish VCCA, OCA, Dodge Bro club, etc, had judging manuals that rivaled those of NCRS. If that were the case with VCCA, a 31 chevy showing up on their judging field with a cast#/cast dated 30 chev 194 would receive less points than a 31 chev with a 31 engine case. my 2 cents. regards and lets try to improve VCCA judging(ie better manuals). mike

Let's not get started on engine numbers again. It is an issue that has been beaten nearly to death (even thought I totally disagree with the current policy). I have even tried to get the numbers included in judging by offering to provide the numbers for many years but was told that it was too much of a job so wouldn't be done. Part of the argument against using the "numbers" was that they can be changed so can not be relied upon. Another was that you can't easily see the casting numbers and dates on V-8s so it would not be consistant to use them for any engines. I have hopes that one day the sun will shine again or reason will prevail.

Why is this in the For Sale link? Oh, now I get it. Everybody wants to sell their own idea.

Rules change thru healthy discussions, (hopefully for the betterment of all).

That would be the "hope."

Still hard ( for me ) to understand how a '48 216 in a '41 coupe qualifies "for the betterment of all."

My 2 cents.

Bill.

Mike-

No offense intended towards NCRS. Certainly they are known as being tough and strict. Perhaps "extreme" was the wrong word to use. The story as related was true. Just trying to make my point about common sense and judging.

chevy guru: no offense taken. have a happy holidays and regards, mike

Given the "betterment of all" idea, I suppose a 1953 PG engine or a 1954 235 in a 1950 car would be a case of "betterment for all"? or maybe not?




Would it be better to move this thread to the general discussion forum??

What say you Chipper?

"Given the "betterment of all" idea, I suppose a 1953 PG engine or a 1954 235 in a 1950 car would be a case of "betterment for all"? or maybe not?"

Not when it comes to judging. What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong......no matter how you slice it.

"Would it be better to move this thread to the general discussion forum??"

It should probably be moved to the judging forum instead.

Perhaps it should be closed as we are "just spinning our wheels"....OH-I'm putting that in the "one liner" thread

That's a good one!

When I worked for GM for 10 years, the dealer did all sorts of stuff promoting things during the year on vehicles. They even had "Days of Thunder" ground effects kits installed and called the Luminas that. Special packages, tags and so forth. What about the 76' model Chevys and Buicks with the BiCent package on them and the ones the dealers installed?
Different people have different opinions. Thats why I just drive mine to the car shows and look.

Hey shade tree boy from Alabama,

I like to look myself; but sometimes I like to park my beautiful car close so people can enjoy.

Its fun to sit close by and listen to the remarks.

Skippy,

You feel into Wacky Macky's "trap." He twisted the meaning of "betterment of all" to something it wasn't meant to mean. And you fell for it.

Silly boy.....

Bill.

Didn't fall for a thing, and there was no "trap". Besides, Macky Wacky twists things to the point that sometimes he doesn't even know what he means.

Just like Chubby Checker - let's twist again!!!

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