I know a fellow with a truly awesome early Vette, who had it judged at an NCRS event.

When they saw his AACA Grand National & Senior Oval, and his VCCA Senior Oval on the front license plate - they deducted minimal points and told him - quote - "take the junk off the front license."

We all know NCRS is very extreme - but that is just petty crap.

A tasteful oval or award from any national club should be respected by any other club's judges. Obviously it is not "factory" - and obviously it is an honor for the car and owner.

I can say with reasonable certainty that no VCCA judge would ever deduct (for example) because an AACA oval is on the front of a great car. That's just silly. There is still room in judging for common sense and courtesy.

i don't know that NCRS is "extreme" but they definitly want a judged vette to "appear as it left St. louis or bowling green". that is and was their philosophy when the club was born in june of 74.i wouldn't, and haven't, deducted for an AACA plaque on any c-1 or c-2 vette i've judged in the last 31 years. i also wouldn't have referred to the plaque as "junk".Some judges are jerks, be they vette, chevy dodge, olds or F``d judges. NCRS has a few butt-holes but for the most part, the judges(volunteers and owners who've had their own cars on the judging field) are pretty good guys. there's a rotting apple in every bushel. BTW, NCRS gives bonus judging points for NCRS Windshield Decals, fire extinguishers, and Battery cut-off switches(which obviously didn't leave the factory). Been involved with NCRS since the git-go(member # 14) and just wish VCCA, OCA, Dodge Bro club, etc, had judging manuals that rivaled those of NCRS. If that were the case with VCCA, a 31 chevy showing up on their judging field with a cast#/cast dated 30 chev 194 would receive less points than a 31 chev with a 31 engine case. my 2 cents. regards and lets try to improve VCCA judging(ie better manuals). mike

Let's not get started on engine numbers again. It is an issue that has been beaten nearly to death (even thought I totally disagree with the current policy). I have even tried to get the numbers included in judging by offering to provide the numbers for many years but was told that it was too much of a job so wouldn't be done. Part of the argument against using the "numbers" was that they can be changed so can not be relied upon. Another was that you can't easily see the casting numbers and dates on V-8s so it would not be consistant to use them for any engines. I have hopes that one day the sun will shine again or reason will prevail.

Why is this in the For Sale link? Oh, now I get it. Everybody wants to sell their own idea.

Rules change thru healthy discussions, (hopefully for the betterment of all).

That would be the "hope."

Still hard ( for me ) to understand how a '48 216 in a '41 coupe qualifies "for the betterment of all."

My 2 cents.

Bill.

Mike-

No offense intended towards NCRS. Certainly they are known as being tough and strict. Perhaps "extreme" was the wrong word to use. The story as related was true. Just trying to make my point about common sense and judging.

chevy guru: no offense taken. have a happy holidays and regards, mike

Given the "betterment of all" idea, I suppose a 1953 PG engine or a 1954 235 in a 1950 car would be a case of "betterment for all"? or maybe not?




Would it be better to move this thread to the general discussion forum??

What say you Chipper?

"Given the "betterment of all" idea, I suppose a 1953 PG engine or a 1954 235 in a 1950 car would be a case of "betterment for all"? or maybe not?"

Not when it comes to judging. What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong......no matter how you slice it.

"Would it be better to move this thread to the general discussion forum??"

It should probably be moved to the judging forum instead.

Perhaps it should be closed as we are "just spinning our wheels"....OH-I'm putting that in the "one liner" thread

That's a good one!

When I worked for GM for 10 years, the dealer did all sorts of stuff promoting things during the year on vehicles. They even had "Days of Thunder" ground effects kits installed and called the Luminas that. Special packages, tags and so forth. What about the 76' model Chevys and Buicks with the BiCent package on them and the ones the dealers installed?
Different people have different opinions. Thats why I just drive mine to the car shows and look.

Hey shade tree boy from Alabama,

I like to look myself; but sometimes I like to park my beautiful car close so people can enjoy.

Its fun to sit close by and listen to the remarks.

Skippy,

You feel into Wacky Macky's "trap." He twisted the meaning of "betterment of all" to something it wasn't meant to mean. And you fell for it.

Silly boy.....

Bill.

Didn't fall for a thing, and there was no "trap". Besides, Macky Wacky twists things to the point that sometimes he doesn't even know what he means.

Just like Chubby Checker - let's twist again!!!

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