SINCE WE ARE GOING TO USE THIS SECTION FOR FEEDBACK ON VENDORS, I NEED TO LEAVE SOME INFORMATION.

IN APRIL 2002 THERE WERE 6 SS WHEEL RINGS ('32) FOR SALE ON EBAY. THESE ITEMS WERE A NO SALE (NO BIDS ABOVE STARTING PRICE OF $120.00) AT THAT TIME.

AFTER THE AUCTION I EMAILED THE SELLER (MICHAEL HAHN) AND HE OFFERED THEM TO ME AT A SOMEWHAT REDUCED PRICE ($100.00), IF HE DIDN'T HAVE TO BLUFF THEM. WE MADE A DEAL AND I SENT THE SELLER A MONEY ORDER FOR THE FULL AMOUNT + SHIPPING IN APRIL.

AS OF THIS DATE (JULY, 2002) I HAVE NEVER HEARD BACK FROM THE SELLER. NO EMAILS, NO RINGS, NOTHING.

MY COMPUTER CRASHED RIGHT AFTER THIS DEAL AND I LOST MICHAEL HAHN'S EMAIL ADDRESS AND STORE ADDRESS. THE ONLY THING I HAVE LEFT IS HIS NAME ON MY CARBON OF THE MONEY ORDER, "MICHAEL HAHN". I THINK, I REMEMBER (?) HE WAS IN NEW JERSEY AT A MALL (HINCKEY MALL, MAYBE?). HE SAID HE HAD THESE WHEEL RINGS LISTED IN HIS CATALOG OF CAR PARTS.

I COULDN'T GET ANY INFORMATION FROM THE OLD EXPIRED EBAY AUCTION SITE BECAUSE MICHAEL HAHN HAD BEEN "SUSPENDED" AND ALL OF HIS AUCTIONS AND ETC HAD BEEN REMOVED BY EBAY.

HOPEFULLY NONE OF YOU WILL DEAL WITH THIS VENDOR EITHER NOW THAT YOU KNOW HOW HE CONDUCTS BUSINESS.

HAVE A GOOD DAY, GATOR.

P.S. IF ANY OF YOU HAVE HIS CATALOG OR ADDRESS (E OR SNAIL) PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

Ok Gator if i hear of anything resembleing this party or the elusive 32 trim rings I will get in touch with you.

Hey Gator! There were not any wheel trim rings offered as a genuine Chevrolet accessory in 1932. Those wheel rings were an aftermarket accessory, and the first actual genuine Chevrolet accessory wheel trim rings were released in 1933. Thanks for the update on this vendor though and we will watch out for him!!

Gator, I don't know what type of money order you used, I use postal money orders. I ask because the post office ones have a "recipt tab" with the money order number. If you have this maybe you can trace where it was cashed (hopefully his bank) or at least the area he lives and maybe the police dept can help you some. That's about all I have for now. Thanks for the tip.

Gator,
What a bummer. Thanks for the heads up on the vendor. One suggestion to everyone, use US Postal Service money orders. In a case like this, it becomes a federal mail fraud case and you can get the feds involved.

I know just who you're looking for:

Kesslers Antique Cars & Body Shop
Michael Hahn
430 S. Richland
Olney,Il 62450
(618) 393-4346
kesslersmidwest (kesslers)

He's real slow, but you should get your parts after a while. Email works.

THANK YOU, OLD CRANK, THIS IS WHAT I NEED. HE WILL BE GETTING MY EMAILS NOW. NOW THIS IS WHAT I CALL " CHEVY GUYS HELPING EACH OTHER OUT".

GLAD THE NAME OF HIS BUSINESS IS NOW POSTED ALONG WITH HIS NAME!!

IF HE DELIVERS, I WILL POST THAT HE IS JUST SLOW NOT AN UNETHICAL VENDOR.

WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED. THANKS AGAIN GOTTA GET TO MY EMAILINGS NOW...

UPDATE: EMAILED HIM ASKING FOR A REPLY ASAP, AND THEN EITHER THE PARTS OR A REFUND.

GOT AN ANSWER TO MY EMAIL TODAY. HE THINKS THEY ARE LOST IN THE MAIL.

ASKED HIM TO PUT A TRACE ON THEM, AND FOR THE SHIPPING INFORMATION.

MORE LATER, I HOPE.

GATOR

THIS BUSINESS DOES NOT LOOK TO BE SUSPENDED ON E-BAY AS THERE ARE 8 ITEMS ON LINE AT THIS MOMENT FOR SALE

You can put a tracer on your money order to see if it was cashed. There should be a number on it which is used to check if it was cashed or not.

50 CHEV, MICHAEL HAHN SOLD ON EBAY UNDER HIS NAME AND THE COMPANY'S NAME. IF YOU USE "ID HISTORY" WITH THE NAME "MICHAEL HAHN" IT WILL SHOW THAT THIS SELLER IS "SUSPENDED". I DIDN'T SAID "KESSLER" WAS SUSPENDED, ONLY THE PERSON MICHAEL HAHN (WHO IS THE GRANDSON OF KESSLER, I HAVE BEEN TOLD), I CHECKED AGAIN WITH EBAY LAST NIGHT AND HE (THE PERSON) IS STILL SUSPENDED.

I DIDN'T FIND OUT THAT MICHAEL HAHN WAS WITH KESSLER'S UNTIL I POSTED HERE. MY PROBLEM WAS WITH HIM...BUT IF HE OWNS OR RUNS KESSLER'S THEN IT DOES BECOME A COMPANY'S PROBLEM.

HE HAS TOLD ME THAT HE HAS MY MONEY AND THAT THE ITEMS "WERE SHIPPED" I AM WAITING FOR HIM TO PUT A TRACE ON THE "LOST" PACKAGE SO IT CAN BE FOUND. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WERE SHIPPED UPS, USPS, OR ??? ALL OF THE SHIPPERS KEEP VERY GOOD RECORDS SO THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM WITH TRACKING THE PACKAGE. I ALSO HAVE REQUESTED (7-17) FROM HIM ALL OF THE SHIPPING INFORMATION SO I CAN DO A TRACE ALSO, I AM WAITING FOR A REPLY TO THIS REQUEST.

Good luck to you gator.

I would like to make a gentle request to you and others. Please turn off the CAPS LOCK feature when you're typing. All caps is very difficult for human beings to read. You would be better off typing in all lower case than in all caps.

Thanks

PS Also, on the Internet, all caps is considered to represent shouting.

Sorry about the poo-fa with the caps. Didn't know it was hard to read or shouting. It just saved me time not to have to go back and do caps, I'm not a speed typist. gator

JEFF, do you mean to tell us old Chevy codgers We is on the God-Awfull! Durned INTERNET? Oh My!....Hey Ma! come see what I done did!

Hi Gator,
My limited knowledge of Kesslers would support Old Crank's, I think you will get your parts. I ordered some parts from Michael Hahn last year and recieved them with no problems.
Herb

Hope you are right Herb, haven't heard a beep out of him since July 17th when he said they were "in the mail" and I asked him to send me the shipping information (tracking numbers, etc) ASAP.

Have emailed him about everyday with this same request.

Gator

P.S. FYI, These were hub protector rings not trim rings (or so I was told).

Still no response from him/company. So sad....

I have heard from a few other fellows with the same problem as well. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Keep your fingers or paws crossed there might be good news this week. Hahn finally contacted me and now says that my items were NEVER shipped to me. He said that he will ship them now.

Will let you guys know what happens...I'm just gonna sit here and wait for that big brown truck...

Cool! Hopefully, that big brown truck can find where you live instead of dropping off those hub protectors to some other gator in the local zoo!

yeah, or if you see them going around the Bayou on a J.D. Gator!
Looks like you are better off than you were last Month,now you have some hope!

gator - be careful they don't scratch the paint on your wheels.

Bad news, Hahn has decided to keep my money and to keep the rings. He didn't like me checking on the order after only 3 months of waiting for them.

I am turning to you guys at Chevy Chatter to help.
If any of you know how I can get in touch with anyone at Kessler's, (except Hahn, of course) that would have any authority to make this right, please let me have their address (e or snail). If any of you know Kessler or whoever was in charge before Hahn ask them to contact me.

All I get from Hahn in answer to my requests for my parts or a refund are profane, insane emails (you would not believe his emails).

This is so sad...a business that had built a good reputation being turned over to a person like Hahn, who does not seem to have any business sense or even common sense or any morals.

I will consider my $100.00 well spend if you guys would please let Hahn & Kessler's know that this is not the way to do business. And of course the old saying "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me", he will never fool me again. His email address is: midwest>

I am moving on, my faith in people has taken a hit, but hopefully, because the vast majority of people in this hobby are honest it will in time restore some of that lost faith. I am also a firm believer in "what goes around, comes around", so I believe Hahn in the end will suffer more than me for his misbehavior.

Sorry to hear of your bad luck, Gator-

I did some checking on Ebay:

User ID Michael Hahn (0 Feedback)is suspended, but he is from Germany...probably not the same guy.

User ID Kesslers (0 Feedback)still active.

User ID kesslersmidwest (164 Feedback - 5 neutrals, 7 negatives) Still active with 21 current actions.

Unfortunately, because you bought your rings outside of ebay, your options are limited, and recourse through the ebay system is no longer available to you. I considered sending him an email on your behalf, but then wondered what liability the VCCA would have should Mr. Hahn not take kindly to a barrage of emails that originated from this site.

Hopefully others can learn from your bad luck, and will steer clear of EBAY ID kesslersmidwest .

Good luck-

SPEEDLINE

Gator, have you saved the emails corresponding to this problem? Have you saved emails were he said "they must be lost in the mail" and "they're on their way" and "to bad so sad" along with the profanities would give you a decent case. Were you ever able to trace the money order? I would make copies and bring what you have to the Feds and let them see what can be done. I would think legal action towards interstate fraud would apply. This is what I would do especially if someone is ripping me off. I would suggest you take your facts to the appropriate State/Gov authorities and see where the chips may lie. If you do nothing then he gets away with it and may do it to others. Even if authorities don't have enough evidence or can't do anything at least you tried and there's a paper trail if it happens again and then maybe this can help someone else to nail this guy.
p.s. to bad he's too far away to show him the business end of a Louisville.

Gator,
Copy all his e-mails and gather all other evidence

Hey Gator! Lil' Johnny is correct. You should be pursuing this clown for mail fraud. If you don't, he will continue to rip off other dedicated hobbyists also. The word is spreading around the hobby about Mike, but you still need to continue on with the mail fraud issue, especially if you have all of the paper work and etc. to back you up.

By the way, I just heard through the grape vine that other individuals have also had the same problem that you have as well. What a way for Kessler's to end up because they were, for many, many years, one of the best people to do business with in the Chevrolet hobby! Good luck with your efforts!

I don't think Lawrence Kessler would tolerate dishonesty if he knew about it.

A friend called Lawrence and Arna this morning concerning a parts order that was not received. Apparently Lawrence was not aware of any problems but told him that he would look into it. I suggest contacting Lawrence Kessler if you have a complaint. I don't have his home number but you should be able to get it. He lives in Olney, IL. Or maybe someone has the number.

Gator, go to Yahoo! , then people search, and type in the name and addy, a Lawrence Kessler is listed in Olney Il.

Here is the final news brief on my "quest for the rings":

A gentleman who read about my problem and who had done business with Kessler's for over 30 years emailed me. He gathered all of the facts and called the orginal Mr. Kessler, several days later I got the parts via the big brown truck. THANK YOU, SIRS!! To all of the others who have helped and given me surport, I give you my thanks. There is a bond of help and friendship between people who love old chevys.

This has been a very strange journey for me, even with the positive ending of my getting the parts, I still feel that something else has been lost by me, you, and others.

So as I stated in my posting, my final opinion would be "...I guess the new management was just slow in getting my order to me..."

Good going gator! Glad that you finally got your stuff, and a big thanks to the gentleman that helped you to achieve that goal of getting your parts.

There is a big difference between "slow" and uncooperative. Mike was not slow, he was totally uncooperative!

Gater, when it ends well it has been a good day after all.

Gator, I'm glad someone with some pull with the original owner staightened out this big mess. I'm sure the stuff is going to hit the fan if and when he (Mr. Kessler) talks to the people ruining his good name he worked hard to achieve. Gator you're right, something is lost. Trust. Eventhough things worked out for you, I can't trust the new owners and won't ever recommend them to anyone. Sounds harsh, but they and others have to figure out that one can't do business like this AND people that have gotten taken MUST stand up for themselves and spread the word. Taking someone's money and then saying they refuse to send the item or refund the money is unexcusable. This was far from a misunderstanding or mix up of some kind, it was delibrate. I don't call almost getting ripped off a good deal. Once again, I'm glad thing worked out for you.
p.s. after all of this, are the rings correct?

Are these the same rings made by Al Severyn?
3689 Elmbrook Dr., Cleveland, Ohio 44147 (See Bill's 1931 Chevrolet website)

I believe that they are the same hub protectors.

JunkYardDog, They are ss and they have real cute little chevy bowties on them. Hope they are correct for '32.

Yes, that's them! The hub protectors were also used with the accessory snap spokes as well.

Hello all,

Figured I'd put in my 2 cents worth here. It truly is a shame that what sounds like it used to be an honest company has been turned over to a real jerk (not the word I wanted to use, but I'm toning it down for here).

Hahn does not seem to care one way or another if he does the business or not. He waited two and a half weeks to put my id tag I bought into the mail, and charged me 8X the cost as a 'shipping' charge. My phone calls to him went without reply, e-mail was even worse, and he was absolutely horrendous to deal with on the phone, actually hanging up on me when I told him that if I did not receive the item I would seek redress through Paypal and Ebay.

I hope that he is not a VCCA member. Every member I have met so far has been wonderful to deal with, very interested in making sure that these old beauties get back on the road. Hahn just doesn't give a damn.

Gator, I'm glad you got your rings. The tactics he tried to pull don't surprise me from my dealings with him. I won't let that happen anymore.

Todd Owen

Kessler's has received three more negatives on eBay in the past month for non-delivery of parts and for ignoring emails on same.

Gator, make sure you report this joker to the U.S. mail inspectors. He used the U.S mail to defraud you & that is a crime. You can also file a complaint with the F.B.I. internet fraud unit.
I imagine you will never see the parts but, if you file the complaints at least this guy is on record as a bum & maybe people in the future wont be victims of his scam. If he gets enough complaints the inspectors will knock on his door.