Is there a place where I could post my pictures of restoration of my truck?

No, I am afraid that we don't have a photo gallery here,site is just a discussion forum for Chevrolet folks, you may want to try one of the MSN chat groups or a simular site......

Hemmings started an online car show several years ago. I have my 27 listed on it.

I think It would be great to have a place where guys could show pictures of their vehicles being restored. Alot of help can be gained by everyone with pictures. Remember a picture Is worth a thousand words. Anyway, Im all for It. Even the junkyard dog could show us his restoration projects. That would be very Interesting.

I agree Chevy, if it dosen't cause alot of work for Bill. I'll need all the help and pictures I can get a hold of. :rolleyes: Still trying to figure out how to post pictures myself although I haven't spent to much time on that lately or with my car.

Guys, I think a gallery of VCCA members cars and trucks would be good, maybe over on the VCCA. org site.

It would read.....Restoration pictures of Members' vehicles ( Sorry, We are doing a restoration of the page.... see you in a couple of years!)
TIC , naturally!

Do you think the Generator and Distributor would be interested in our picutres?

31 Truck, With a story to go along with the pictures, I am sure that the G&D would be gald to have them and also the story. Give the editors a call or just drop them a note on the national site or a private email.

One thing that I have heard, Is that the G&D Is looking for more car pictures and stories. I would like to see alot more pictures of guys cars, Like what used to be In the magazine years ago. Also there used to be short mechanical tips from people all over the country and It was a good added feature to look forward to reading, Every month when the magazine showed up. I would like to see more of what I described, Instead of five, six and seven pages of registration forms, for different car meets. These wasted pages cost alot of money to print in the magazine and pertain to a very few people. With nine or ten thousand people world wide, I think we need to have much more car related material In the magazine for everyone. Thanks, This Is my opinion. I would like to hear other peoples comments.

I'm with you DON!

I don't know if all the pictures you guys take would make it here on the web site.

But I'd like to show you all my "Work in progress".

We got a new digital camera and I'd like to know how to insert a jpg. or a scan photo.

I am with you Don and Bruce, but I think we need an events calendar page with a couple of lines per event with a email address and a telephone number, the Clubs could send a registration form by email and snail mail to those desireing to inquire or register or buy spaces. (Or buy a 1/4 page or more.)

I don't think any registration forms should be included in the G&D except for the National Anniversery meet. Some of the Region registration forms are un-believeable complex and long.

That is often the only way some members know of the events outside of their area.

Also remember, to post a photo here The photo must be one that is already posted on a Web Site . You can't post one directly from your "C" or "A" drive. I would caution site members that photos are not actually posted here as such, the link brings the photo into the posting as if it were actually here, and that if everyone could post photos here it would not be much of a discussion forum, in fact several forums have went WAY OVERBOARD posting photos, I think I am guilty myself as well as those that try to teach school on their forums. It may be a ego thing to show how well one knows cyberspace processes!...(IMHO) and that goes for all of the titles in the posting signature.

I would hope that those that do post photos will only leave them for a couple of weeks, those that want a permanent pic can save it to their computer's hard drive.

AGAIN (IMHO)

Well, well,
For all you guys that want more photos of vehicles, send in one of yours. Make sure that it is properly lit and that the background does not clash too much or tend to hide the car.

For articles on restoration of Vintage Chevrolets write one!!!! As one who has written several articles that apparently are not of much interest to members (only rarely do I get any response from members) (and many on this forum have asked questions or related incorrect information that was covered in some of the recent articles). It also takes many hours of research, writing, sending to others for critiques, corrections, etc. How about you? What have you done recently to promote the restoration of Vintage Chevrolets? Argue with those that have done the research and published the information? Congratulations you have just made the next article more difficult to write. Or write to the author and tell him how much you appreciated his efforts or added an observation or sent the results or your own research or suggested an article that might be of interest to VCCA members? Then you are contributing to more articles and a better understanding. Where do you stand? What kind of VCCA member are you?

Now here is something I can step up to!

I know of some very low cost web hosting services, and can program PHP/MySQL based websites... with help defining what we'd like to see, I'd be willing to buy a domain name and pay for the server for a year or two and put up a site where we can all put our photos up! I could set the website up to so you'd have to log in to submit your photos, then I'd end up having to edit everything to keep the size reasonable. We'd also have to put a size limit on everyone's "page". Hey, this could be an interesting project!

Like Billy Barker, I'd want to have (nearly complete) creative freedom, but we can make this work. Since graphics files are so large, the site might quickly grow to a size that I wouldn't want to pay for anymore, but it's worth a try.

Any comments? Any suggestions for a domain name? (vccacars.org and vccaphotos.org are both avaialble, but there might be more interesting one's out there).

OK guys....... it sounds like the G and D should be recieving several restoration pictures that are good sound printable pictures in the upcoming weeks. I look forward to seeing trucks from Utah, Illinois, Minnesota. Also, I hope to be able to read some story lines about each project. It doesn't have to be a three pages spread, but enough to "bait" us all. into believing that we all can appreciate and benefit from each others knowledge and information, and most importantly we are willing to share what we know.

A year ago or more the G and D printed some photos of my son Shane's 51 4dr sedan and the letter that I sent with it. They are always looking for articles to print of members cars and the story behind getting the cars going again.

Also, Years ago In the G&D, there was one page In each monthly magazine, That had several small pictures of members cars and also there was a page of short tips on doing engine work and body work that was great to read every month. Also these pictures and articles were In the smaller G&D books. I think these things would be a great thing to be back In the magazine. If they could cut down or eliminate the full page meet regristeration forms, Which pertain to a very small percentage of people, We could have alot more car activity for everyone who belongs. I would like to see the board members address this at their next meeting coming up. Thanks.

Don,
What exactly do you want the Board to do? There are already yearly discussion on the lack of technical articles but, if they are not submitted then they can not be published. Economics dictate an all volunteer article submission policy. The club does not have the funds to pay for articles.

Chip, What Im referring to and bringing up for discussion, IS that I feel there Is no need to have a regional club have one or two or how many pages In the G&D for registeration to their meet, which pertains to very few people who belong to the VCCA. In some months I have counted seven pages of registeration forms. That Is alot of pages that could be full of chevrolet material for every member to read and enjoy. If they were limited to one half page for their upcoming meet, That would be great, And some already do that. If somehow more members can get Involved and send pictures and other articles to the G&D, Then I think that would make the magazine better for everyone. Also alot of good articles that was printed In the late sixties and seventies could be reprinted In todays magazine, as a majority of members were not Involved In the VCCA back then.I bring this up to give my thoughts of what I think could be done, and for others to maybe give their views. These comments are just my views and Im glad that I can bring them up on this site. Thanks

I agree, I'd like to see content republished from older issues. The technology and techniques haven't changed and for newer members the resources would be very useful.

There may be copyright issues to be reviewed and permission issues from old writers.

Yes, all articles written and other material that is submitted to the G&D is done on a voluntary basis. I believe the only person that gets paid for the G&D is the editor. Also, the majority of the club's dues goes towards the publishing of the G&D.

There are many, many great articles that were written back in the 1960's and 1970's that could be reprinted again in the G&D for the newer members. Also, as I remember an attempt was made years ago to reprint a few of the past articles such as the drive reports that were originally published in the G&D back in the late 1960's.

Gentlemen,
If articles were to be republished would you be willing to review the articles and update them if needed? The may need updating as part numbers may have changed, some of the parts are no longer available or others are now available or ??? If so I am sure the G&D Editor would appreciate your help.

Yes there are several who are paid to publish and distribute the G&D. First the G&D Editor is paid to layout the magazine, prepare it for printing, etc. Then the printer is paid to print the pages and assemble it. The Membership Secretary is paid to process memberships and prepare a list of member changes. Currently Fink Printing is paid to put the membership changes on a computer list and prepare the mailing labels. A mailing service is paid to put the magazines in the plastic sleeve and bundle for mailing. Lastly the Postal Service is paid to distribute the magazines to members.

I sense from the post by lil johnny that he may not be comfortable with paying some associated with the G&D. Maybe the above will help is understanding.

Hi
It sounds like some of you are upset that someone gets a few dollars for all the time they put in being an editor. If you are, I think you should re-think your attitudes before you complain. I am quite sure that the editors are not over paid. In fact, dollars per hours, the pay equals to cents/hour, rather than dollar/hour.
I am also sure that if the editors thought you would be competent in putting out a good magazine....you would be able to pry some of the work out of their hands. Alot of times, a person has those jobs because everyone complains but no one want to do a competent job. Basically......get off their backs and help them.

I wish someone would explain to me how you are able to put all those extra little icons in your messages.

I would be willing to donate my time to help edit any of the old articles, to update them for a re-print in the G&D.

In addition, I think the VCCA and G&D Staff in particular, should be commended for putting out such a high quality magazine, month after month, with most of the content being submitted by the membership. I was the Editor for a while, for a monthly newsletter for a Region of the AACA, and found that most of the membership expected the Editor to write it. Well, the Editor's job is to EDIT, not to AUTHOR, the content. If we want to read an interesting & informative magazine each month, we can't just sit back and wait for the Junk Yard Dog or everybody else to entertain us. Everyone has to contribute. It doesn't have to be a 10-page treatise - a one pager on a trip your club took or a problem you had and resolved with your old Chevy would be welcomed, I'm sure.

Or so it seems to me - my 2½¢

And yes, I have submitted an article to the G&D in the past - Have you?
-Bob

Try Rustychevy It is for 1936 and older trucks

FYI,
The Board has a motion for this years meeting on reducing the G&D space for publishing meet announcements, registration forms. It has been discussed several times in the past.

Thanks for the Information Chip. I hope that happens. Now all we need Is for alot of members to send their car pictures and small articles to the G&D editors and we can have more car related material In the magazine. Thanks

Well fellow VCCA members and Chatter members( we hope they are soon to be VCCA members!) This topic has shown a small reason of many reasons why the Club should see the value of this site, and appreciate the work that not only Billy Barker and the moderators are doing , but even more what the talented members of this forum are doing. Johnny has been a resource that we all appreciate. I want to say that differences of opinion are what keep a enterprise going that proports to be a Forum and a discussion forum. We should not back off from what we think, the health of the site and the VCCA depends upon that. (IMHO)

Well said, These diffrences of opnion are what get good threads started and then the information begins to get out to those who need it. That's just MHO.

Hi everyone.

I mentioned that I'd be willing to pay for a new domain name (something like VCCACars.org), and put up a website that we all could use to post pictures. I'm aware of the "free" sites as lil johny mentions, but I assume they have banner ads and other things obnoxous. I think we'd have a huge advantage in having a dedicated site that is "Ours" to control, and to go to when we want to look at our cars, trucks and projects.

I've dug into this a little, and have found several Open Source (free) programs, and there are several low-cost hosting services. The total cost would be something like $36 to start the first year, then $26 or so every year past that (and there are even less expensive hosting services, I might try one of them).

The thing that will eventually make this cost go up is when we exceed the storage space allowed on these low cost accounts (which is only 50 Mb), we'll have to find another way to pay for it or allow even fewer pictures on the site. I haven't bothered to calculate how many pictures and how many users that space will give us, but I'll do that before I buy the domain name. I think I'll have a demo site up by the end of the weekend at my site (http://www.serversidescript). We'll see how the performance will be (probably not real good, it's likely to be slow to load the pictures).

I'll let everyone know what I find out. I'll also post a poll right now so we can see how interested people are in "VCCACars.org"

Well, I guess I can't post a poll... would someone that has permission to please do so for me?

Lenn,

Photos can vary from 36K to 400K (for those who don't know how to shrink down the photos files size). 50MB won't last long if some people post a bunch of these large photos.

Also, the club won't be able to approve (or disapprove) a VCCAcars.org site as an official effort until the board meeting at the end of February. You may want to propose this to Bill as part of the discussion on web site improvement down in the "General Discussions" area on this chat site.

- James

Hi Vintage James... thanks for the comment.

You are right about the file sizes. The package I am focusing on is called "Gallery", and it contains software that will shrink the photos to fit the webmaster defined limit in the website. This will make it easy for our users and keep the load off the server and webmaster. Also, the webmaster can restrict the number of photos allowed per user, and I was thinking something small, probably two or three. Even with these limits, we're not going to have enough room for many users at 50 MB. Gallery is Open Source, so it is completely free for us to use (cool huh?).

I guess it's possible the VCCA wouldn't want us (me) to put the site up, I didn't really think of that issue. It would really dampen my enthusiasm to get this tied up in a bureaucracy, but then again, it's not just MY club... I just wanted to help and have some fun too.

If it is put to a vote, perhaps the board could authorize some dolllar amount to keep it running each year, or authorize it as an opt-in service. One or two hundred dollars a year from the club would certainly cover us (I checked, $100 would buy us a year's service with 325 MB and the required bandwidth to deliver it). Don't know what that means in terms of the site yet, but I will this weekend.

Heck, I don't want to step on any toes, but the VCCA.org site doesn't seem to be going anywhere. The people or person supporting it is probably also a volunteer with little time. Anyway, it looks like it's based on an IIS (Microsoft) server somewhere... if this is the case, it might be costing them (us) several times what an Open Source based hosting service would cost. I could help with this website, but it would be better if we moved it to an Apache server where things don't cost so much (and I'm a much better Unix programmer than MS.)

Johnny, we must have been typing at the same time... and thinking some of the same things. You are right about the domain name, but I wouldn't want to step outside of the "system" and upset anyone. I'll still play around with this and put a demo out on my website, then we'll see where it goes from there.

(I just found out that I only have 30 MB on my site, and it costs me about $21 per year, very cheap. However, I think there are other, lower cost hosting services that will beat this).

Yeah, Johnny .....like a FOX! Maybe we could take up a collection and buy the club a new Dell PC (I saw one for $549.00) and some software so that they could accept our digital photos for the G&D, maybe get an new internet broadband Connection!
... and maybe even a word processor program! Yeah,..... Then,Well you get the picture....don't you?

Twentyth Century here we come!

Guys, you might want to do some cheecking with who has been posting messages in this discussion. We have had two board members adding comments to this discussion.

FYI, a number of the board members are also moderators of this chat site. Almost every board member checks this chat site to see what's going on.

I think that it is great to hear of someone willing to help the people that run this club extend the clubs abilties. A website like the one proposed for "VCCA members only" would be a great thing!

I still beleive that the G&D is, and always will be the best way for this club to get the information to the members. 100% of the membership gets the G&D, while only 30% (approx. 2700) belong to a region, and 20% (1749 of approx. 8844) are registered to this site. There is no better place for the members to find out about the clubs events than the G&D.

These are the types of things that the board looks at. It is true that most of the membership dues goes to publishing the G&D. I persoanlly beleive that the G&D is still what pulls the majority people to this club, with the websites being second. The G&D is a publication that has won numerous awards for its quality and content. I have persoanlly thanked the Finks for their work and dedication to this club.

I also thank every person that does work to support the club that we all belong to. It takes more people to keep this club going than I ever imagined.

Sorry for the long posting, but I needed to voice my opinion. For those that are wondering, no I am not a board member of this club. But I do serve this club.

FYI,
Chris has spent many many hours working on the VCCA awards. It is dedicated members like Chris that really make this club run as smoothly as it does. It could run a bit better if we had a few more Chrises. Being one of the younger members he and his generation are the VCCA future.

I've been monitoring this thread for quite a while now and you guys ROCK!!!! This is exactly what I asked about almost a million years ago!

Instead of fighting to convince the powers-that-be, I created 1931 Chevrolet Dot Com so that I could post other people's photos of their cars.

Same thing with the Chat site, but I was more willing to work with VCCA since they offered to fund the effort.

Hello Bill!

This is an unbelievably long post, sorry!

I didn't mean to frighten you with a "Monster", in fact I understand all too well the difficulties with administering software systems (I worked as a systems analyst for a while before I was called back into the engineering world).

I won't go out and buy a domain name or another hosting service until/unless the club agrees it's the right thing to do, and the proper members have worked out any technical or "system design" issues. Depending on how VCCAchat is setup and hosted, the final system might work there as a part of the chat site.

I think the ideal thing would be to combine all sites into one, and have sections of it administered by qualified individuals. VCCA.org is apparently an IIS site, I think the server for the chat site is Apache or some other OS based server. If this is true, VCCA.org and VCCAchat.org are fundamentally incompatable in that they will never live on a single server together. This would mean that in order to make improvements along the lines I am thinking of, we'll have to make some big changes.

I prefer the OS route since everything is basically free, simple and highly developed. You and the rest of the club have a lot invested in VCCAchat, so anything we do has to consider the impact on that investment. Like it or not, the club now has "legacy", and change/improvement has become more difficult.

Regarding on-line photo albums, I've been playing around with an Open Source package called "Gallery". I'm convinced it's not the final solution, but it has some really good features. The main thing for me is that it is written in PHP, so I can read, modify and run the code. It doesn't require a database (a mixed blessing), and allows user's to put their own "albums" together. I've had difficulty working with it though, so I think my first idea is probably still the best solution (I'll describe this in a minute).

There's another OS package called phpWiki that allows others to setup their own web pages through a central site. It sounds interesting, but I haven't been able to make it run yet. Then there's Nuke and PostNuke, which are websites that cross-over into bulletin board territory, and offer polls, calendars, mailing lists and other functions. No photo albums though, sadly.

Anyway, my idea for a Photo Album goes as follows:

* Open Source (PHP/MySQL) based web application
* Hosted on a very low cost service
* Members can automatically join the website, but an administrator can block a member where necessary.
* "Post reporting" is necessary, because we want the site to be for Vintage Chevrolets only, which hopefully narrows down the subjective task of keeping the website "clean".
* Members are limited to the space they can use, something that will allow a limited number of pictures to be posted, some text to describe those pictures, a guestbook that visitors can fill out... I believe all of these things are in Gallery.
* Search and sort functions, as you would expect.

I have chunks of code laying around that will do most of these functions, and I'm entertaining myself by putting pieces of it together. I plan to post it at my website when it's in shape for comments.

Should I continue?

I'm heading off to our VCCA annual banquet in 5 minutes, so I don't have time for an equally long reply.... :rolleyes:

I don't understand this. Did you mean "as they are today", they can't be co-hosted? On VCCA Chat, I'm running Perl and static pages together already. And I'm not sure that VCCA.org has anything special on it.

Any way... YES keep on working on it.... If I may, I'd suggest getting the "registration" part figured out first, since that's the major part of the touch labor. I'm leaning towards installing a secure password-protected directory where only members would have access. We need to define the process by which we'd manage those accounts automatically as much as possible.

-more later... now it's off to our shindig!!!

By the way, in addition to restoration photos, I want to support LIVE CAMS too....

For example, see mine at: Bill\'s Web Cam

Just a thought!!!

Man,
I sure opened a can of worms with my question. But I asked it out of frustration of wanting to show it and not knowing where to go.

I just got a new digital camera. Tomorrow I am going to take some pictures of my 31 truck and send them out and get them on the web.
If I can help anyone with articles or proofing data, give the word. I would be more than happy too.
Gary

Well, I wish I were going to a banquet!

While this isn't really the place to have this discussion... please forgive me!

Bill, you are right that as long as VCCA.org is only static pages with ASP counters, it can be moved anywhere with only a simple counter change. I'm so used to websites being database and script driven, I forget the possibility of static pages.

When I said the two websites can't live together on the same server, I was making a sweeping generalization... I apologize. While Perl began life on Unix, it can also be run on a Windows machine if it is running Apache with the proper add-in module. The other OS web servers probably also support Perl, as it is a staple of CGI programming. Your Perl can be used in a lot of places. I could be wrong about this so don't quote me, but I doubt Perl will run under IIS, I believe this because Microsoft want's to control the world and wouldn't allow anything other than their own brands of programming languages to be used in the cgi-bin.

I believe the VCCA.org site is IIS based because the hit counter is a ASP script... you get a copy of it in a subdirectory if you save the home page to your hard drive (try it!). I don't think the server is supposed to be handing out scripts like this, so there is probably something wrong there.

As far as the "registration" part of the website goes, I have two operational websites now that take advantage of server "sessions" and the MySQL database to control access. One of these was designed to allow visitors to create their own account, giving them controlled access to the site. I'm in the process of converting these scripts into PHP Classes so they are easier to reuse, and am patching some security holes in them at the same time. If you have a database available on your website, it is much easier to handle access control this way than to use htaccess files... you do it with standard programming logic rather than server tricks, and you have the power of the database to boot!

Enough of this, I'm going back to writing my scripts...

Lenn.

Sorry, but I've got a few more things regarding VCCA members only access...

It would be a relatively simple task to limit access to certain areas of a database/script driven website if given a verified list of member names and member numbers.

The tedious part would be maintaining that database (of names and numbers). The person(s) that controls membership data could log in every month and maintain this database through a web form. I've built such things in the past. Also, a "batch" type of update can be programmed, because both Perl and PHP have very powerful text parsing functions that can work from flat files. Thus we could upload an ascii file every month to update the members list. Then the "Join" script in the website could be designed to recognize new members when they come to the website and create an account. The script would validate their membership using their VCCA number and name, and give them permission to enter the secured area.

This doesn't give us bullet proof security given that the G&D publishes names and numbers of new members every month, so maybe we need to think this one over a little more... but then again, we aren't trying to protect Fort Knox!

I hope you enjoy the banquet Bill, I'll talk with you later,

Lenn.

You are right this isn't Fort Knox, what we have is much more important then bricks of gold, we have classic Chevys!!!!!!

I can't resist this...

It wouldn't take too many gold bricks to separate me from ANY of my hardware!

But then again, that's probably because I haven't spent countless hours yet on it!

You are right Gator, The VCCA should not be run like Fort Knox. This VCCA chat site Is open to anyone In the world to belong and enjoy everything that Is offered. I do not think that the VCCA Organization Is made to delete anyone from Belonging. Yes you must join and pay yearly dues. That Is fine and dandy. As for having a place on the web that Is for VCCA members only That is If you belong, I think that Is wrong. We have the chat site for all people who want to get on our site free, And share the wealth of Information and enjoy each others comments and friendship. Now to open up a site like what Is being discussed, Where you must be a member to share pictures and other things, I think Is not right.

Chevy----great post!!

I agree, and if this site should ever turn into a totally "members only" site...then I'm gone from the VCCA and this site too.

Johnny F, Thanks for the reply. Im one hundred percent with you. We have several chevy nuts like you and I who have gotten a wealth of Information from joining the VCCA chat site. Also many people have come and signed up on this site who were not VCCA members, But who have since joined the club as they seen what was avaliable to them. We must keep on trying to get others who are now on this site and get them to join. If there Is to be a special section for pictures or whatever, It should be one hundred percent open to MEMBERS AND NON MEMBERS. Now If the VCCA decided to have a special section for printing material that Is In the ARCHIVES, Then that Is where It should be limited to VCCA members.

I don't think the chat site should be VCCA members only, only that SOME areas of the VCCA website be available only to VCCA members (you know, members, the ones that 'pull the load' by paying dues) like the VCCA library material on-line, or the G&D on-line.

If everything is free why pay dues? The G&D is the only member perk, but I guess if I could get a member to lend me their copy.........hmmmmmmm...... How long do you think the club will live once the membership (ie: $$) falls below producing a high quality G&D?

To build a good, strong club, the members need to feel that they are "more important" than non-members, that their voice is more valued by the board, etc.

I would like to see the total member numbers, year by year for the past 10 years or so. Do we have a major problem or not?

The VCCA has averaged a 1.95% membership GROWTH over the past 10 years.

My thought of members only was only for posting of the pictures. It would be no different than the region sites that show pictures of their members cars. Let the whole world see our members stuff!

Sounds like a great idea.

Lenn has really taken the "bull" by the horns on this one! He is creating what I believe is in part something we all want, if not for ourselves, but for everyone. A place where we can post pictures of what we enjoy doing, working on our cars and trucks!!!
I commend you on taking the initiative Lenn.

Fantastic!!!!

Chris has the idea... I was designing it to require you to be a member to post pictures and other information, but anyone can visit and look.

I'm working on it fairly often, but haven't updated the demo yet. The people in this chat site can have a huge impact upon the direction I take in the design by making comments (once there is something to comment on). About 10 people have created accounts so far, and I assume at least some of them will help me test it.

The demo site will remain open to anyone until I run out of space (first come, first served). The biggest technical problem with restricting any on-lne content to VCCA members only is that the site requires a list of current members. Getting and maintaining such a list becomes a "system" problem that is probably going to be difficult to solve and keep running, because the system requires more than just software design... it involves cooperation from people on the organizational level, and from the publisher of G&D (I understand that they have the most current list). I can handle the other required security challenges.

If the information contained in the G&D is ever published on-line, I think most of the content should be for VCCA members only. I think the articles and classifieds are what make paying VCCA dues valuable to most members, but then again maybe I think that because I don't know what else the club offers to me. (I guess access to the technical advisors is really the most important thing).

Thanks for the help and comments, I'll keep everyone posted.

Lenn

Lenn, I'm glad you are working with Bill and the VCCA as an adjunct so noone gets upset with the site. It's people like you and Bill and others who give of their time and knowledge to help the club that makes the club and its' members so great. Thank you again.

I'm looking forward to using and viewing the site, since you told us about it I can't wait. Is there anything to test yet??

There's nothing new to test on the demo site, I'll let you know when there is.

I'm still working on the page people would use to post their pictures. There is a lot of work to do in this area because it requires security and programming logic. The "member" page includes text input for descriptions, titles and photos (3 at the moment). There is a link that people can send you an E-mail message (through the website, they won't get your E-mail address unless you subsequently give it to them, and they don't have to give you theirs unless they want to). I'm also toying with the concept of giving everone their own page for "parts wanted" and "parts for sale". I don't want to move into the G&D's terratory, but the chat site does this now anyway.

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Great work Lenn!
I think all the guys here appreciate what you are doing and can't wait until you have something up and running.
One thought I had about the members only vs. non-members, is to make available some photos right here along side our posts. That would be Mr. Bill's domain. If you glance up to the top of this page, along side the VCCA Logo, or on the left right under the post name, there is space for a car photo. It's sort of a tease I guess, but may entice some new members to join if we show them what we have. I'm not sure of all the member non-member talk here, but I do know some people will take advantage of a person if they can.
Not to mention that if someone has unlimited free access why pay your dues?

Another thing, if the photo site is for non-members, what is to stop anyone from copying the photos and useing them in shady deals and for deceiveing others like on e-bay?

mrmack,

probably the same thing keeping the members from copying the photos...

epi

and we can't let a few possible bad guys run our lives.

I don't want to be the one that is beating with a stick to death a dead horse....but I am wondering how many of you made the contact and sent G and D pictures of your restoration projects??? Now is the time when you have been getting out in the garages and taking off the covers...let's see some of those amazing trucks!!! and autos too. I would like 12 pictures of 31 trucks to make a personal calendar for next year..... are there 12 out there?

Hey Gary, that would make a cool calendar, even with partially completed trucks! I only can think of three '31 that are active on this site, mine, yours, Chevychip's. Kepi's is a '30... who am I forgetting? Maybe you need to widen your scope to '29 through '32?

Steve Kassis at the Filling Station also has several 1931 trucks, and one of them is a wrecker.