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#40425 - 05/22/06 01:13 PM
Re: Air-Ride Suspension on '58 Full Size
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Hi pkennedy58BelAir, Sounds like someone has installed modern air bags to your suspension. 
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#40426 - 05/22/06 05:02 PM
Re: Air-Ride Suspension on '58 Full Size
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Shade Tree Mechanic
Registered: 05/05/06
Posts: 91
Loc: Tualatin, OR
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Thanks for your response Ray. I appreciate you taking the time.
I don't really think they're an aftermarket item. I inherited the car and Grandma wasn't much into customizing her ride. They're also cylindrical and fit vertically inside the coils of the spring. The only modern bags I've seen are the round pillow-type. Maybe the pillows are used with a leafspring suspension. I'm no expert - barely a novice, actually.
I'll check the assembly manual to see if they're pictured, and if they resemble the Air Ride option of the day. Maybe I can find some GM markings if I do a little cleaning on them.
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#40427 - 05/22/06 06:13 PM
Re: Air-Ride Suspension on '58 Full Size
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The air suspension that Chevrolet introduced in 1958 was more professional that air bags with a stem below. Recently I had a 1957 Cad in the shop with the air suspension. It was so complicated that Cadillac had ran double lines to each of the 4 corners. One line provided the pressure, the other line was routed back to the engine compartment and to an exhaust valve and silencer. Cad didn't want the owner hearing the escaping air noise when the system called for lowering the rear end. The SSSSssssss noise would have the owner running to the dealer to fix a LEAK. Chevrolets system was not near that complicated, however it was not so primitive that a valve stem protruded through the bottom of the springs. 
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#40431 - 05/23/06 12:57 AM
Re: Air-Ride Suspension on '58 Full Size
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Registered: 04/26/04
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Loc: Bargo Australia
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I/ve seen those inflatable bags years ago in Australia on Chevs that pulled caravans
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#40432 - 05/23/06 09:49 AM
Re: Air-Ride Suspension on '58 Full Size
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Registered: 05/05/06
Posts: 91
Loc: Tualatin, OR
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This car came equipped from the factory with the 348 w/4BBL and power nothing ("Armstrong" Power Steering, as I like to call it). I know I don't have a compressor under the hood or anything else, including plumbing or name plates, associated with the Level Air system and these don't appear to have been used much in recent years. There's some pressure in them holding their shape but they yield to a poke from a finger so they're not providing any significant support to the suspension.
So it sounds like these inflatable spring lining bags are an aftermarket ride enhancing something or other, maybe something Grandma's second husband had put in to make him feel like he was in a Caddy. They're not original, and we don't use this car to pull a trailer, so off they come! Maybe I'll clean them up and let the kids kick them around the yard or use them for flotation in the pool this summer. Thanks to all of you for your input, this was a helpful discussion.
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#40434 - 05/23/06 04:32 PM
Re: Air-Ride Suspension on '58 Full Size
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Registered: 05/05/06
Posts: 91
Loc: Tualatin, OR
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We're jumping back and forth between two strings now Gene, so I'll copy this over from the '61-'64 string and carry it on here where it's more applicable to the year. "The 1958 348 (heavy) and Power Glide(heavy) often settled down in the front and it was necessary to replace the coil springs. In general 1958's had many problems and I would have never believed there would be any aroung 48 years later.Still one of the best looking cars Chevrolet produced. Would not be too difficult to add Power Steering - or to make steering easier install a 1959-64 non -PS steering gear.It had a lower ratio (more turns) but made parking more effortless.If your were ever to install radial tires it would be a must." Phew! We're coming around full circle. I didn't take a close look at the suspension up front yet, but I'm wondering if these coil spring air bags might be of more actual use up there where all that weight is? Would a set of Chevy Truck coil springs offer better support up front? Or maybe there's already another set of air bags up there if they put them in all the way around. Like I said, there's no trailer hitch, so it doesn't make too much sense that the air bags would only be in the back, unless Grandma needed to keep the springs tight in the corners while she was outrunnin' the revenuers with a trunkload of 'shine. Interesting you should mention power steering at the same time I was mentioning it on the other string as well. PS and PB are desired upgrades for coming years. (A/C would be nice, but it doesn't look too practical as it dominates about 30 pages in the assembly manual.) I'd like to have it all done by the 50th anniversary if it's not a budget-buster. The wide whites I have on it are radials, which give it more control on the highway but, you're right about this, it steers on the surface streets like a battleship without the tight turning radius. Not too much trouble for big burly me, but when the boss drives it she struggles with it a bit. As for it being one of the best looking, you'll get no argument here. I read a great article in Collectible Automobile magazine that talked about how the GM design boys did a panic end run around Harley Earl to re-style the '59's while he was in Europe, thus making the '58 all-new body style a one-year only transition. Thanks again Gene. There's that other six quadrillion words. I'd be interested to know more about the other problems you mention that are inherent with the '58's as well. I need to know what to look out for and head off any problems before they cost me more than I can afford. 
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#40438 - 05/24/06 03:45 PM
Re: Air-Ride Suspension on '58 Full Size
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Shade Tree Mechanic
Registered: 05/05/06
Posts: 91
Loc: Tualatin, OR
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If the story is run so often and so widely then I'm not surprised it had a familiar ring to it. I'm pretty sure I read a less detailed version in a book or magazine somewhere along the line. The clay models depicted are quite a study though. They were definitely going for something different, but from the looks of the models I'm not too sure what that was. One had regular single headlights on the fenders and a vertical pair of high beams in the center of the grille that just looked strange.
Still, if you look at the models in sequence from Tri-5's through early '60's, there's really a distinct change at the '59 that's almost like an anomaly. The '58 looks like it belongs in between there, it's an advancement of the '57 body style, but then you get this low, flat '59 that looks like it's wearing a cape and flying low to the ground. Good looking car, and far nicer than the mid-60's models would later be, but not at all inspired by the previous generations from the looks of them.
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#40439 - 05/24/06 04:13 PM
Re: Air-Ride Suspension on '58 Full Size
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Registered: 05/05/06
Posts: 91
Loc: Tualatin, OR
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My '58 is anniversary gold over honey beige. I have a neighbor three houses down who owns a restored '58 Biscayne that's repainted to a very close approximation of Cay Coral over white. I have a few pictures of the two sitting side by side in the street that I'll have to post some time. I'm not counting too much on a perfect color match, but most of the spots I have to cover are really small, and more in the beige areas than in the gold top. Hopefully those will be more forgiving, but better than bare metal as long as I keep it smooth. The gold is sprayed over the beige, so that will require some skilled blending and rubbing down. In any case, I'll look at samples sprayed on a non-porous sheet first, and maybe cut my teeth painting my fender skirts or two-tone on my lawnmower before I bite the bullet and go crazy on the actual car. 
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#92477 - 12/31/06 12:57 PM
Re: Air-Ride Suspension on '58 Full Size
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Shade Tree Mechanic
Registered: 12/31/06
Posts: 96
Loc: Southampton, England
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http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/chevytalk/index1.html has two links to the history of the '58 and '59 cars if anyone is interested. I just thank goodness though that Earl's proposed '59 Models did not go through as they were so awful. I have just seen on ChevyTalk a photo of the LevelAir badging on a '59 Chevy. I have never seen one before, but it's like the '59 FI cars..they were reputedly available but has anyone ever seen one? I suppose add in there 348-engined Sedan Deliveries! However a few genuine FI '59s have turned up over the years.
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