Since things are changed on the cars over the years, how can I tell without any doubt if my '32 cabriolet is a regular or deluxe model? When I restore the car I want it to be whatever it was in '32, I know some people have added things to make their car a different model, I don't want to do this even by mistake.

I know dealers could and did add options to the cars to suit the buyers and buyers added or deleted items on the cars over the years.

Are there any numbers or codes that identify the model as it was made in '32?

I always thought my car was a 'regular' whatever that is, until this was posted on another string "Combination 95 for Deluxe Convertible Cabriolet, Deluxe Convertible Landau, Phaeton per Dec. 5, 1931 DuPont "Chevrolet Color Bulletin No. 4".

My motor build date is Dec. 1931.

What pin-up model do I have.

Hey Gator!

From my understanding '32 Cabriolets did not come in a standard model. For example: Standard being cars with painted hood louvers and without cowl lights. Deluxe being cars with chrome hood louvers and cowl lights. These items were very easy to change! These are the only items that I have been able to say make a difference between standard and Deluxe.

All '32 Cabriolets have a rumble seat.

Actually, there is a standard cabriolet model for 1932. There were two models, the Standard Cabriolet and the DeLuxe Cabriolet. Both models are featured in a score of 1932 literature, advertising, film strips and etc. The Deluxe model had sidemounts and the standard model had a rear mounted spare. Shame on you Brucie....you knew that! ha ha!

Hey Bruce, Are you building a standard or a deluxe Cabriolet. Remember Bruce, They both came with two Headlights???????????

Skipper, read my last post! That is what I said. Now you backed me up!

Deluxe Cabriolet, I have documented that my car had just about every option that you could put on the Cabriolet.

Ok, let's see what I have then:

chrome hood vents - yes
cowl lights - yes
sidemounts - no

So I thought 'standard', then the color bulletin that said only deluxe convertible cabriolets had the paint code 95 in Dec. of '31 (Chevrolet Color Bulletin No. 4, Dec. 5, 1931), which is my paint code. Only other models with code 95 were the 'Deluxe Convertible Landau, and the Phaeton. Or is the Chevrolet Color Bulletin wrong? This is what is causing me to question what I thought.

Just occurred to me that over the 70 years someone might have had the sidemounts exchanged for the rear mount, even the dealer in '32 maybe?

Hey Brucie! I did read your last post and here is what you said: "From my understanding '32 Cabriolets did not come in a standard model". And, you also said, "But there really is not a Standard Cabriolet for '32". So, I didn't back you up on that one since there IS an official standard cabriolet model for 1932. However you were correct that the standard cabriolet did not come with painted doors, no cowl lights and etc. I did back you up on the sidemounts vs. no sidemounts though.

Also, there is no such thing as an "option" for 1932. Options are items that you could order directly from the factory and you could pick and choose what you wanted when you ordered the car. What you are talking about are accessories, and they were installed by the dealer, not the factory. And, if you wanted any changes on the car, those were done by the dealer as well......not the factory.

Gator: Don't worry about the terminology used on the paint charts. What you have to go by is the paint number that is on your cowl tag, and yours is "95" I believe, so everything is cool on your end. It doesn't matter if you have a standard or a deluxe cabriolet since the paint number on the cowl tag determines what the original color of your car was. Besides, in most VCCA judging the cowl tag information is ignored anyway.

Just to clear up a mild misunderstanding. The "Chevrolet Color Bulletin No. 4, Dec. 5, 1931" is a piece of DuPont literature not Chevrolet. I am sure it is based on communications between DuPont (Chevrolet paint supplier) and Chevrolet but may not be entirely accurate. As a matter of fact even official Chevrolet literature is not entirely accurate. JunkYardDog and I can give you many contradictions in official Chevrolet literature, some in the same piece.
It is always best to document with more than one source.

Right on Chipper Dipper! You can blow your bugle on that one!

cool.

It's interesting tying the two main points together about the fact that the literature was not always consistent, and that a number of accessories could and would be added by the dealers.

I take it, then, that in those times there was wide distribution of factories and dealers, but perhaps only one source for the marketing from headquarters in Detroit. Then, the pressure of trying to sell cars in the depths of the Depression caused the marketing executives to change copy on the fly with less quality control on consistency of messages. Does that sound like a reasonable assessment?

With dealers solely adding accessories, it seems possible to get some unique combinations not necessarily shown in the literature. In my case, Gator, my '32 had a rear spare mount with a full rear bumper, but apparently that was a dealer quirk (possibly driven from the buyer request). I swapped the bumper out for the correct rear bumperettes.

Makes things kinda interesting for us, huh? (And let's not even get started on what kind of hand cranks were offered then...! :p )

Correct Eddie, and the dealer would also add aftermarket accessories as well if the customer wanted them. They didn't care. All the dealer wanted to do was sell a car and have another happy customer.

Hey Skipper, I was talking about what most people would call a Standard model for 32. The typing just came out wrong! You still backed me up! You know what I was talk about!

Hey Brucie: Wiggle, wiggle! ha ha!

You have to go by what Chevrolet called the models, not what the peope themselves call them. For example, Chevrolet has a "Five Passenger Coupe" and called it as such, but most dudes call it a "Vicky". There is a "standard" cabriolet, and there is a "deluxe" cabriolet, and that's what Chevrolet called them. Yep, I knew what you were talking about, but Gator didn't and I only backed you up on the sidemount issue, not on the fact that there was no "standard" cabriolet model. Wiggle Wiggle!

Why did you have to say Vicky, that is a synonym of a four latter word!

You mean "Elvira"? No, wait a minute.......that's a six letter word! I will have to think on that one.........

Since the dealers/customers decided what accessories to add, when the car arrived at the dealer's it had been shipped as a what?

I assume then as far as GM was concerned it wasn't a certain 'model' when shipped, just a basic car to be finished by the dealers/buyers.

I think I got it now.

Actually, the car was shipped as a certain model, ie. Standard Coupe, Special Sedan, Sport Coupe, Coach and etc. If the customer purchased a Standard Coupe (did not come with sidemounts) at the dealer and then if he wanted dual sidemounts instead of a rear spare, the dealer would make the switch for him......at extra cost.

Is this the reason why I see the phrase "as it left the dealer" more than "as it left the factory"?

Or in some cases "as it COULD HAVE left the dealer's"

Yep!

There is a lot more leeway in the older models in the VCCA's judging than other clubs or years.

The later models had a lot of info on the tags that needs to match up at judging time, my '32 car only has a paint code (which doesn't count against you if it doesn't match, if it is an orginal color).

On the newer cars like the '57's you have a ton of information on the tags with what was on your car when new. Now people get around that by buying a 'new' cowl tag with what they want on it, including color.

On the newer cars like a '57 does the VCCA judges check to see if the cowl tag information matches what is on the car?

Gator - NO! We're not that knowledgeable and don't have sufficient time to debate the cowl tag vs vehicle configuration during the judging process. We're instructed that the vehicle must have a color combination used for that type vehicle when originally produced.

Thanks for the info.

What Oldie said is correct, however, that is something that seriously needs to be corrected in the VCCA judging. If the judges are not that knowledgeable about the paint color combinations for example, then how do they know that the car is painted a 1932 color in the first place? If they have the information to determine which colors are correct for 1932, then they can also use the information on the cowl tag to see if the car is painted it's original color. It doesn't take any longer to determine if a 1932 is painted one of the original 1932 colors or if the car is painted the color that is shown on the cowl tag. Actually, it is quicker to look up the paint number that is on the cowl tag than it is to wade through the list of all of the 1932 colors to determine if the car that is being judged has a 1932 color or not.

The cowl tag information is there for a reason, and that is documentated history direct from the factory, and for the VCCA to ignore that information during judging is just not fair to the fellow that has a paint job that matches the paint number on the cowl tag. Everyone is asking for documentation to help in the judging process......so it is beyond me why the information on the cowl tag is still not used for the judging process.

Well,guess if you are in a quandry about your car's color paint it black Duco, I think any year up from 1929 had a black car, unless it was a 1944 and then it would be West Coast 1928 engine color (Olive Drab).
Or you could buy a F**D model T or Model A, weren't they available in black?

Forgive me if I ask about things that everyone else already knows.

Since I was a member back in the 70's I know the club has been around for some time. Also the VCCA is devoted to their mission statement of preserving and restoring Chevys to their orginal configuration. I would 'think' then that this club would be in the forefront of knowledge about the cars/trucks.

Since I have a older corvette I have watched the growth and procedures of the 'Covette Club' (and their mission statement is basically the same as the VCCA) and when you show a car there you find out how well you have done with fullfilling their mission statement.

I am also a member of the Classic Chevy International Club which started in the 70's and when I show my '57 I have to make sure everything matches the orginal way the car was built. This club is not only devoted to only orginal Chevys, they also include modified cars and street rods. But when they judge the orginals you know what is correct and what is not. Same thing at "Super Chevy Shows".

Are 'we' as a club really enforcing the club's mission statement if we 'allow' cars to be changed to fit the present owner's taste instead of the way it was built. We are fanatical about the right crank, but not the right color or accessories? If we don't there won't be any real orginals around after a while.

If these other clubs can do it, why can't we?

This is just my opinion, if I'm 'off-base' let me know, but be gentle.

I don't think you are off base at all. It seems that everyone wants to have judging fit their personal defination of original. Or they want to make provisions for the parts that are not easily obtainable or they want to add safety items. The argument is that more vehicles will be brought to a meet and/or fewer will be street rodded.

Personally I think we should strive to evaluate each and every Chevrolet that is submitted for class judging to our "mission statement" without exception. It would be a report card on just how close it is to the way it was delivered to the first customer.

Unfortunately there are not many that agree with me. So we are constantly having debates on what modifications to permit. Tires, batteries, spark plugs, etc., etc., etc.

I totally agree with Chipper Dipper....we need to strive to not only meet our mission statement, but to make our restorations as authentic as possible. We worry about what is the correct hand crank, or what the original battery should look like, and if the car has the correct accessory or tires for the year, but then all of the extremely critical information concerning the correct color of the car and correct interior trim that is supplied on the cowl tag is ignored. What's wrong with this picture? Hopefully, this information will be considered as part of the judging process by our judging committee since they are heading in the right direction with judging schools and etc. The cowl tag information should be a priority.

I don't feel like the car is 'owned' like a ordinary piece of property that I can do with as I wish, I feel that I am just the car's 'current caretaker', there will be others after me just like there were others before me.


I see the car more as a piece of our country's history, sort of like a historial building or piece of antique furniture. Can you image someone changing the finish on a piece of antique furniture to suit their taste?

Hmm...yeah I do, and that's the problem. Same way with drug store developers tearing down 19th century downtown buildings to put up squat boxes with wide parking lots. In that case, it's what the current owner wants to do - the historical importance is of no concern.

Perhaps the distinction comes in the true cash value of the item in question, and the rarity, or lack of, that drives that price. As a hypothetical situation, no rational person would make a hot rod out of a Duesenburg because they're extremely rare and very valuable. Same thing with a 18th century cherry dresser; no one would willingly strip and varnish it.

However, there are still enough old cars that makes it worthwhile to some who modify them without too much concern. The "historical value" is just not an important consideration in their mind's eye. A club that supports that mission helps build some of that value for those who are a new owner, have cash, and are contemplating what to do - be a preservationist, or make a cool street rod. In the latter case, there are plenty of rod magazines and the like to help you along that decision; a club like this provides some true balance in the other direction. I'll easily agree with you, Gator.

Skip and Chip,

What I would like to see is a Judging form that is set for one year and one year only. And with this form you would get a document with all the color information and correct accessory information. This should be a living document that is improved every year. It's like last month on the JunkYardDog trip we all found out that there are 2 special bolts that hold the engine oil pan on a 32. When I get home to night I'll post the pic's. Out of about 5 32 guy's there, no one really know about it. We found 2 engines that had these bolts. I think this is the way we should be judging.

On those special pan bolts that you are talking about, two '32 dudes on the JunkYardDog trip already knew about them......Old Donald and myself. I furnished that information to Old Donald about a month before the trip since those bolts are supposed to be on the oil pan and he was asking me about them. When we were at the warehouse at the Filling Station we checked out the special pan bolts that I was telling Don about so that he could see what they looked like. Donald thought that those speical bolts were a neat discovery. I first found out about them back in 1972 when I was checking out the oil pan on my '32 just after I first purchased the car.

OH, Starting Cranks and Correct Batteries. What Im worried about is if my cotter pins are pointing the right way. What bruce is talking about, Is the back two hex head bolts that holds the pan to the engine. what we found is that they are slotted hex head bolts on the 1932 engines. Maybe some of you guys who have 32 cars can check yours and see if they are slotted. The two engines we looked at had two slots in each bolt that was in the shape of a X. I would bet that these were never looked at in judging 32 cars.

Dang..... I read this whole thread and didn't see where you say what battery you were going to put in your Deluxe model.

Oops......

Am I stirring the pot??

Can't count the number of times people have told me that my car would be worth more as a street rod than as an orginal.

Anybody can build a modern street rod, its a lot harder to have the car orginal. I guess I just perfer being unique and not one of the herd.

Gator, I wondered about you and a few of us other members here on this site, Then I started thinking about all of those fish that swim up stream useing so much energy when their chums are sailing by going down stream. I realized that anyone can kick back and go where the flow takes us, but we continue swimming up stream like the Star Ship Enterprise! "Where no man has gone before!"

Gator,

Why did you say this?

"Can't count the number of times people have told me that my car would be worth more as a street rod than as an orginal."

People that talk like this have a problem! Don't let them foul you! They are evil!

Bruce, maybe it is the fact that some folks get "Worth more" confused with the amount of money something sells for rather than actually "What it is Worth", kinda' like my old dog Rex, he is a long ways from being "Worthless", to me, but you couldn't get 3 cents to boot if you wanted to trade him for a worthless old setting hen.

PS if that is a picture of a boat in the back of a pickup on your profile pic, do you need some help in covering it with Birch bark? I have some tar and nails!

Ya, that's Brucie's "32" tuna boat, and he was wondering why it sinks every time he takes it out to the lake. So now.......he keeps it in the back of his pickup since the boat won't float, and he plays "Captain Kidd" in it!

So MrMack, do you like the new picture better?

I agree with you MrMack, the value of something is in the eye (and heart) of the beholder and money isn't the final judge (by a long shot) in defining "worth" to me or you.

And I would guess that that is why the JunkYardDog would rather have an orginal '32 flower box then have a butchered '32 rod running around, which would encourage people to cut them up (please don't hit me JunkYardDog if I'm wrong).

Actually, you are kinda sorta right Gator. Street rodders have tried to buy my flower box from me, but I like the old '32 coupe as a flower box instead. Sure, it would look good as a street rod, and I'm sure that no restorer would touch it because of the massive work involved, but darn it.........I need a flower box in front of my shop and the car looks great as a flower box. Not only that, but Steve Kassis (owner of the Filling Station) has donated one headlight, a radiator shell, and now an engine block to the flower box project (I'm going to plant flowers in each cylinder of the engine block too). The way it's going, some day the old coupe (with a rumble lid mind you) will be a complete car.......and then watch the street rodders go nuts!!

Hey Brucie! I liked the other photo better, because at least you had a Chevrolet in the photo......and now all we see is a tuna boat without it's skin.

Don't we wish?

I'll take one, where do I send the $79.00? Is there tax on that?

Bruce, I like both of them, but I am partial to blue Chevy trucks with a Tuna boat in the rear.

I'll drink to that!

And what wouldn't you drink too??

Gator, What list? I wouldn't drink to a list but JunkYardDog, Is a Dawg of a different tilt!

Huh? Arf arf arf!!

Hey Skipper!

Do you need a rumble lid for that coupe? I have a real good one for you!

As for the '31 roadster my uncle has 3! So I don't need one, thanks Mr Mack!

The flower box coupe has a rumble lid, and it matches the car in condition. What is your's like Brucie??

Just like your lid, junk! It sounds like I need to start a flower box! :p

JunkYardDog - I hereby submit my application for the position of flower box number three.

Cool! You got it!

I think there should be a Junkyard Dog Hall of Fame. To qualify for membership you would have to explain in writing, maybe in the G&D, why you qualify. For example: Before I had been in New Mexico even one hour I had found a 1931 Chevrolet cabriolet body in a junkyard. (Tucumcari, NM, June 1975)

The passing of the traditional American junkyards is one of the saddest topics ever. I could spend (and did) the whole day in a junkyard even when I wasn't looking for a certain part. Never know what you might find and learn.

Today's 'auto recycling centers' are too sterile and unfriendly, give me back the 'good ole days'!!!!!

Hey Guys;

I've been busy with the holidaze decorating and new vehicle shopping. But I've read this entire string and I'd like to put in my two cents.

The restoration of my '32 is going along just fine, even if it is taking forever. If I find something that doesn't belong on the car it's removed and replaced with the correct item.

If I can't find the correct item it will stay there until I can afford to replace it. I think the judges should take into consideration "a car that is restored in good faith". Perhaps, considering the owner (club member) has a project in the works.

I know some will say "don't show the car until it's finished". Well fine. But, I would like to take part in the shows. If my car is halfway decent why not? So what if I haven't got to the rumble lid yet. It's still being preserved in an original state buy the current owner. Right?

I'd like to hear a reaction to that!

In regards to what and when options were installed on a car. I remember Dad saying that when the War was over everyone needed a car. Lots of guys bought what they could afford or find and added things to update the car. Maybe thats how hood doors got chromed, sidemounts were installed, and cowl light were added as directional blinkers.

Those things might be wrong when looking at a Deluxe vs. a Standard, but it's still history.

If the club is going to split hairs over hex head bolts, do it at the top levels for best of show in a National Event, not at your Local or even Regional meets.

Hey RGwiz! I think that it's really cool to see a car under restoration at a VCCA show. Looking at a car like that is extremely interesting........and it is also a learning experience, not only for the viewer but the car owner as well. In a lot of cases, looking at a car that is undergoing a restoration is more fun than seeing a completely restored car. And, sometimes the owner learns about cetain things that are on the car that are incorrect that he didn't know about, and the owner also learns different ways of doing the same thing from the "tire kickers" that stop by to see his car. Maybe there should be a class for cars that are under restoration, and that way the qualified judges could help the owner of the car in different areas of his restoration that he is having a problem with.

On the different types of judging for local meets vs. national meets, that is a something that shouldn't be done. All cars should be judged the same, using the same judging form and the same judging handbook at all meets.......both local and national. That is the only fair way to do it. You cannot in good conscience judge a car one way at a local meet and then another way at a national meet. That's what happened at the Rapid City National Meet with a '34 Chevy that was previously judged differently at a local meet and all hell broke loose over that one. Nope...I firmly believe that all cars have to be judged the same no matter where they are or what show they are in.

Hi RGwiz,

In reading your post I get the impression there is some confusion about definitions. Although your car is not completed/has imperfections, does not prevent you from SHOWING your car. Most events, even those that have formal judging, provide space for cars to be SHOWN. The only exception to this would be a meet that was limited in sufficient area to park ALL cars. As has been pointed out numerous times, HAVING YOUR CAR judged IS A VOLENTARY ACT. SHOWING and JUDGING are not necessarily synonymous.

The point is, that if you want to have your car observed for the purpose of getting suggestions for improvement, you may elect to SHOW it.

RGwiz, I suppose I'm roughly in the same level you are, and I can readily concur with you. As has been pointed out, anyone is welcome at a meet just to display. I've seen my share of un- or half-restored beauties in shows, and frankly, I enjoy checking them out because they truly show the proud marks of age while still going strong. I'd agree with Skipper - it's not meant to score show points, but so what? It's still great to see someone making a sincere effort at keeping it original.

Your point is a valid one. I recall an article in the Newsweek "My Turn" section sometime back where an owner of an old 50's sports car narrated how he drove it around daily unrestored, and even let people climb in or open up the hood. When more serious restorers expressed a bit of dismay at this, the writer explained that, for him, the whole reason to have an old car is to have fun with it, and further, he reasoned, why not let other people experience a bit of the same thing themselves?

Now that I have the '32 body getting into better shape, I have thought about driving her to meets and allowing people to gently feel how strong the fenders are, or climb in and sit behind the wheel. It's not ready yet to win any show awards, and heck, why not let someone younger get a chance to really feel what it's like to be behind a wheel of an old car? Maybe it might even inspire him/her to get one of thier own to restore - and isn't that one of the main reasons why we all promote this hobby?

Ed is exactly right, original cars and cars undergoing a restoration can be a big hit at car shows.......and his posting reminds me of something that I experienced years ago.

When I first purchased my '32 Special Sedan back in 1972 it was barn fresh! It had sat in a shed type of barn on a 300 acre ranch about 9 miles from my house since 1953, and the old girl was totally all original, and untouched by human hands so to speak. I was the proud second owner. Anyway, my soon to be wife and I towed the car home and checked it out. The paint was faded, the windows had green moss on them, the front floor mat was missing (it still is), the muffler was full of acorns stored there by some small critter, the radiator leaked like a sieve, several of the tires would only hold air for about a day, and basically the car looked like it had just been rescued from a barn where it had sat for many years. It was!

At that time, every year the Sears Shopping Center in Medford (about 20 miles away, and where my '32 was sold new in 1932) had a "Back To School Days" sale in the open air portion of the mall and to celebrate the occasion each year they had a big car show. So.....I got the old '32 running, removed the moss from the windows, filled the radiator with water (took several gallons of water along to fill up the radiator for the return trip home..it leaked that bad!), aired up the tires and away we went. The car was smoking all the way into town but it ran great! The '32 was parked in the middle of all of these nicely restored cars....some were show cars.........and the old barn fresh '32 was the biggest hit there! The car was mobbed by people all day long. Sure, they looked at the other cars, but......they absolutely loved the barn fresh '32 because of what it was........unrestored, freshly out of a barn, and totally all original....including the mouse nest in the front seat!

The car made several of those Sears "Back To School Days" car shows for about the next three years......and it was the same every time. It was the biggest hit at the show. The only difference was that my girl friend and I were now married. Anyway, one year, along comes this great looking blonde (single of course), and she took a fantastic interest in the old '32.......and the car was still looking barn fresh. She was delighted with the car.........so I gave her a personal tour of the '32 Chevy....under the hood, inside the car and etc. She even wanted to sit in the back seat, so I obliged....we sat in the back seat together! She and I spent an hour going over my car and she totally loved the '32, and she wanted to know everything about it.....the car's history, where it was sold new, how I found it and etc. While all of this was going on.......the other dudes that were at the show with their cars wanted her to come over and check out their restored cars as well. Nope........she loved the old "barn car" and she wasn't interesed in looking at any other car except for mine. Man....was she ever a "looker" too.........a regular "pin-up" model if you will.

The Sears "Back To School Days" car show was canceled the following year, and it never occured again. And, even today, I often wonder whatever happened to that great looking blonde?

Man.........those were the good old days!!! Ya!

Junkyard Dog, I had the exact same thing happen to me.......sorta.......it was an ugly guy, though........and he wanted to tell me EVERYTING that was wrong with the car. But he too, stayed for an hour. Or several hours - it was all kind of a blur after a while.

Wow! Lucky me! I like my story way better than yours. ha ha! And, the time really flew by when I was giving that great looking blonde a tour of my '32 Chevy. Sorry that you weren't as fortunate.

Sigh.........Skip you lucky guy you. Some guys have it, some don,t I guess.

Yep......and ya gotta be a Junkyard Dog to find out I guess! ha ha!

2 cents worth. Show your old beat up cars too. We have to find the kids of all ages and get them enthralled or there won't be a new generation of old car nuts. It's hard when I see "do not touch" signs all over the cars. I have a "please touch" that got a lot of smiles. I see more and more of these cars in museums and less and less being driven around. Kids love old cars,so let's enthuse and cherish the seed corn.

Agree, agree, agree............. show the cars whatever the state of disrepair or condition.

I let my kids and grandkids crawl in and out and in the bed of my pick-up. Some people don't understand that but it's there for fun not something to keep yelling at kids about.

When I told my kids I wanted to put a sign saying "please touch" they agreed totally.

The only problem is that out of hundreds of people who handle the privilege with care, it only takes one knucklehead to "belt buckle" your fender. So you have to walk a fine line to meet both objectives.

Hi All;

I agree with your comments, and enjoyed reading all of them.

JunkYardDog, your story was a good'in! Only you forgot to mention were your wife was while the "back seat tour" was going on...mmm.

I've seen works in progress at many shows. I realize those cars are not going to be judged.
I was thinking along the same line as the JunkYardDog, and perhaps we should have a rookie judging team (judge trainees) go over the "works in progress", for their betterment as well as ours.
I think, if enough guys (and ladies) interested in becoming judges, take part we could start this sort of class.

The idea of seeing a car before the interior was closed up, or bodywork uncovered would be a learning experience.

By the way. I found a 2000 S-10 Blazer LS 4 door, with 17,000 mi. at the local Chevy dealer and bought it. It's my first 4 door vehicle!

RGwiz: Glad that you liked my story! Where was my wife while all of this was going on? Well.......she was standing right there the whole time........smiling! Yep! I was having a great time, and she knew it, and she was glad that I was having fun, but she kept her eyes on me though! ha ha! The main thing that helped was the fact that my old barn fresh '32 Chevy was such a big attraction at the show with everyone. Otherwise, if that blonde had come along at any other time.......well, my wife might not have taken it so lightly.

I like your idea of a rookie judging team. Great idea! That way every one can learn together, including the car owner. Ya!

Since this topic has turned down a new but interesting side road, perhaps we should move it over to General Discussions.

One curiousity I have on my mind with this subject is how to conduct some of things mentioned in the most recent postings without alarming or upsetting those who have fully completed cars.

Mr. Moderator - should we keep going here, or shift over?

Good idea Ed;

Let's shift gears to General Discussions.