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#300229 - 01/30/14 08:15 PM 490 engine found
texasjohn Offline
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Registered: 01/30/14
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Loc: Texas
Helping a widow clean out the barn and found a 490 engine. I think it is a 1916 because it has no provision for a valve cover.

It's missing the manifolds, carburetor and distributor but seems otherwise complete.

I don't have access to URLs so can't post a picture but wonder if this engine is really that early. Thanks.

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#300232 - 01/30/14 08:42 PM Re: 490 engine found [Re: texasjohn]
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Registered: 11/22/01
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Does it have a water pump or just a fan? What is the make of distributor, generator, starter? Is starter round or square? Those will help to ID the engine. There are also casting numbers and dates on the block. If you post them it will help as well.
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#300233 - 01/30/14 09:06 PM Re: 490 engine found [Re: Chipper]
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Quote:
It's missing the manifolds, carburetor and distributor


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#300310 - 01/31/14 08:06 PM Re: 490 engine found [Re: Junkyard Dog]
texasjohn Offline
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There is not a water pump and the generator is square.

On the passenger side raised letters show (I think)

P4
938?6

The 3 may be a 5? I won't be able to get at it again until Feb 28 but this is probably all the information. Thanks.

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#300320 - 01/31/14 10:21 PM Re: 490 engine found [Re: texasjohn]
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Registered: 12/31/08
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Texasjohn,

The number on the block is probably 92816, which will date it to 9-28-16. There will also be a 5 digit number on top of the head.

Cheers,
Gary

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#300337 - 02/01/14 06:59 AM Re: 490 engine found [Re: texasjohn]
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Have a look at my 1916 pictures: (with coil, not magneto)

http://s889.photobucket.com/user/solan1916/library/Solan1916%20-%20VCCA?sort=3&page=1

The parts should be equal if you have a 1916 engine.

chevy
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#300386 - 02/01/14 08:24 PM Re: 490 engine found [Re: Solan]
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The head is not exactly like the one in Solon's picture. Each end has a slightly raised section and there is another slightly raised boss between No. 2 and No. 3 cylinders. That boss has a brass pipe fitting.

There are no numbers on top of the head or on the sides as far as I can see.

Is there a way to post pictures without a URL?

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#300392 - 02/01/14 10:14 PM Re: 490 engine found [Re: texasjohn]
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Sorry... that is one of the things that is only available to members...

Non-members CAN post pictures, but need to provide their own URL.

-- In this case, since the engine is of such interest -- -if you email the photos to me at webmasteraavcca.org, then I'll post them here for you.
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#300425 - 02/02/14 01:45 PM Re: 490 engine found [Re: texasjohn]
Solan Offline




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You can also use Photobucket for free, like I have done here.

chevy
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#300471 - 02/03/14 10:01 AM Re: 490 engine found [Re: Solan]
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Okay, TexasJohn -- please add your comments in a REPLY posting here.












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#300473 - 02/03/14 10:18 AM Re: 490 engine found [Re: Bill Barker]
texasjohn Offline
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Registered: 01/30/14
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Those pictures show what we have. Note no water pump, no numbers on head and never a valve cover. What else can I tell you?

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#300476 - 02/03/14 11:43 AM Re: 490 engine found [Re: texasjohn]
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Thanks for the pictures. To me this looks like a 1916 (or early 1917??) engine. Can you see a stamped number on the rim of the exhaust opening?

Agrin chevy
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#300483 - 02/03/14 12:59 PM Re: 490 engine found [Re: Solan]
texasjohn Offline
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Registered: 01/30/14
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The 1917's on this forum have valve covers and the 1916's have flat-top heads with numbers between the 2nd and 3rd cylinders. This is different. I'm certainly not the expert.

Did Oldsmobile build a similar engine in these years. Seem to remember some used the Olds head on the Chevy block for racing.

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#300498 - 02/03/14 05:16 PM Re: 490 engine found [Re: texasjohn]
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The adjustable rocker arms are later than 490 models, the head may be a head up to 1927 as it is still a single port on the intake side. All 4 cylinder heads up to 1928 will fit. The head should also have a casting date on it at the top. unless someone has ground it off.
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#300503 - 02/03/14 08:20 PM Re: 490 engine found [Re: jack39rdstr]
Sam Hamilton Offline
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Loc: Oklahoma
I appreciate all the help you all are providing my brother John. Especially with replys from Norway and Down-under. This is still somewhat mysterious as to what his engine is. I may have to add it to my assortment of oddities.
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#300507 - 02/03/14 09:49 PM Re: 490 engine found [Re: Bill Barker]
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Registered: 07/24/05
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Loc: Australia
The cast mark P 4 does not appear in Ken Kauffman's webpage for the identification of early Chevrolet 490 and Model F, Fa and FB models,
The 490 models also have the distributor vertical, this engine has a strange tube coming out of the end of the generator at a strange angle. casting numbers
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#300515 - 02/04/14 01:59 AM Re: 490 engine found [Re: jack39rdstr]
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Just to correct myself, the "P 4" casting mark DOES appear in the list, 4th row in, and 7 and 8th line down.
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#300521 - 02/04/14 05:24 AM Re: 490 engine found [Re: texasjohn]
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Posts: 2261
Loc: Oslo, Norway
The front of your engine is having the same shaped parts as on mine: http://s889.photobucket.com/user/solan19...sort=3&o=35

Here is a picture of the left side:
http://s889.photobucket.com/user/solan19...sort=3&o=36

Here rear right side:
http://s889.photobucket.com/user/solan19...sort=3&o=15

Here front right side:
http://s889.photobucket.com/user/solan19...sort=3&o=16

Hope this might help?

chevy

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#300558 - 02/04/14 03:28 PM Re: 490 engine found [Re: Solan]
texasjohn Offline
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Registered: 01/30/14
Posts: 7
Loc: Texas
The front is the same as Solon's but the top of the head is not. His is flat and has raised numbers.

Mine has raised bosses on each end and in the center. It has no numbers on it. (See the pictures above.)

If my brother, Sam, is thinking about this it sounds like he is planning a Texas trip.

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#300634 - 02/05/14 09:50 AM Re: 490 engine found [Re: Solan]
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Excellent photo essay Solan. I enjoyed seeing the rare Autoreelite accessory service lite. One of these rare units came with my '31 Coach in a box of parts in 2008, I found a customer for it on VCCA who was restoring an early 20's Chevy Truck.

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