howdy all
new guy here
i have a 1935 EB 1/2 ton with a 207 engine in it i beleave.
the engine is stuck for now,i have the cylinders soaking in atf.
will say a newer style 216-235- ect. bolt up to my tranny??
and are the motor mounts the same??
i have read the oil system is much improved in the later models.
vin # 1EB031734 block# 837 591-7

or should i stick with the 207??
thanks for any help
jeff

Firstly welcome to Chatter.
I seriously doubt the "Holden" bit as Holden didnt produce engines until the late 1940's and the largest inline 6 was only 202 started in 1972 and looked similar to your 292. Most of our engines before that came out of Canada to my knowledge.

The 216 and 235 may fit but length, mountings and bellhousing may be a big stumbling block.

Tony

Jeff,
I don't really understand Tony's Holden reference, but there is no direct "bolt in" replacement engine for you '35 truck.
A 216 or 235 can be fitted with some work and there are folks on this forum who have done this swap. You will need a clutch setup and housing to go with the newer engine. Maybe someone knows if your transmission will bolt to the later bell housing.

Mike

howdy
thanks for the welcome
i don't really understand tonys post either
or is my engine number saying my motor is a 292??
tony can you explain?? i beleave this to be a 207 engine
which i beleave is correct for this model.
thanks jeff

Jeff, Depending on how you are going to drive it, I would stick with the original engine. The 216 was an improvement over the 206/7 engines but if used as they were meant to be used I don't believe the oiling system is any problem. The 216 has more power and is capable of a higher top speed so they needed a better oiling system. They also have 4 main bearings vs. 3 for the older engines. One big difference in the oiling system is that they had a pressure stream of oil aimed at the rod dippers, this was at speeds above idle. At idle I believe they still rely on the dippers and oil troughs to lube the rod bearings.

howdy uncle ed
well i want it origanal also and i'm just going to pleasure drive the truck.i have waited 40 years to have an old 30's truck, beleave me this truck is in good hands now at least it won't be a rat rod as long as i am alive.the only thing is i think this engine may be more trouble then its worth.
after i got it home i took the valve cover of and some body at one time had taken the entire rocker arm assembly out of the truck. where am i going to find all the rockers, shafts, hold downs ,bolts and bushings and springs.i am apretty good mechanic and tjhis thing is stuck.they said it had set in this barn for the last 50 years,thats one reason it is still here and the body and cab are so solid.
i'd still like to know what tony was talkig about> holden<
thats what they put in out of country trucks i think.

thanks jeff

I think the reference to a 292 was in comparing later model Aussie engines to USA engines. The Aussie engine looks more like a 292 than a '35 207.

I have found that it is always better to use a bolt in engine than a replacement. It might be more expensive to rebuilt the original engine but you don't have to deal with all those "adjustments" needed to adapt something else.

I have rocker arm sets from a couple 36 engines, don't know if they interchange wihout looking in the parts book. I think your engine 837591 is a 1935 engine. You can google vintage chevrolet casting numbers and find a chart. Also valve train parts are available from some suppliers and on ebay.

The 1935 engine has "pressure stream" oiling to the connecting rods.
The top speed of a 1935 Chevrolet was the same as a 1940 Chevrolet (with a 4.11 ratio)...about 78 MPH. That being said I would drive a 1940 at top speed for a lot longer distance than a 1935.
A 1935 truck with the orriginal suspension will be a handful to handle at much over 55 MPH.

hey guys it's been a pleasure

it will be alot of fun bringing this old girl back into the sunshine.uncle ed if one of those 36 rocker assemblys will fit i will deffinatley buy one from you.i need it all hold down brackets and all.i also need a distributor some body over the last 50 years pinched that also, and a horn.the rest of the truck is pretty well there.also need bumpers.i hope this engine is;nt blown with bad internal damage.well there's no holes in the block anyway lol.

uncle ed keep in touch
thanks again guys
jeff

I stand corrected, I was thinking the pressure stream oiling was new with the 37 216 but Chevgene knows! Back in the day when I had to know how fast my cars would go, my 37 with the 373 rear gear was faster on top end than my 49 Chevy. The 49 topped out at about 78 but the 37 would break 85. that is just going by the speedometer so who knows which if either was correct. LOL, I would be terrified to drive either one that fast now!

Jeff, I sent you a PM.

hey uncle ed
i did not receive your pm
my email is jeffkornerfuse
or send me your phone # and i will call you

thanks jeff

Ok Jeff, I sent you an email did that come?

Find a '37-'41 chevy truck bell housing, bolt it to your 235 engine. Since the 235-216 engine is about an inch shorter you will need to make a short set-back plate in the front to mount the engine. Use the original (or modify a later, rubber-bushed) motor mounts at the back. You will also need to modify (either cut or heat and fold) the rear cross-member so that the oil pan can be removed. You will also need to either raise the front of the engine (washers) or design your front motor mount so that the fan belt can be removed easily (a later 3/8" belt and 12 volt generator/alternator and water pump pully will make it easier). That's about it.

Jeff, I know this is late, I put a 42 216 in my 35 1 1/2 ton truck and all I did was leave the front mount untouched and moved the rear mount and revamped it for better strength,the bell housing, clutch, shift fork, starter and ring gear need to be for the engine you use. Also maybe the srarter linkage. I like it because the engine is newer but looks darn close to the factory one good luck GM

If you do that the transmission will not locate properly, the carb linkage and starter control will also not fit properly and will have to modified. Your propellor shaft will engage about an inch less in the front u-joint and you may have excessive vibration. Best is to set the engine to the bell-housing using the original motor mounts and set back the front motor mount an inch or so, that way everything fits.

howdy guys
well now i hope this don't turn into a nightmare.
first of all i don't want to change out the stock 207 if i don't have to.
unless it's a basket case which i don't know yet because
it is still stuck.
i just out of the blue found a freshly rebuilt 1937,216 and tranny which i will put in if the 207 is ternminal such as cracked block,cracked head or who knows.
so now heres a question, will it be possible or any easier
to change engine and tranny together useing the 216 engine and tranny together???
i think the 37-216 tranny is also a 4 speed???
which would give me more top end.

anybody
jeff korner
southeast indiana

If the tranny is 4-speed it probably came out of a truck.

The 4-speed does NOT give you any more top, it extends the bottom.

Ray is correct, it wasnt until the late 70's that they started putting gearbox ratios faster than 1:1. Prior to this any overdrive was an additional separate box.
Tony

Actually cars and pickups had an overdrive transmission factory installed in 1956 (maybe a few years earlier) as I had one in a '56 two door.

howdy all

well so i guess the 4 speed that came out in 1937 was still a standard 3 speed tranny with a grandma lower gear i front of first gear.
thats ok i'll be able to use this truck to plow the garden.lol
yes this 216 and tranny came out of a truck ,i was looking at the truck it came out of which now has a 400 hp something in it.
if i do use the 216 and tranny i guess i will just have to eyeball it as i lower it in place and see if anything matches up even close and then manufacture from there.
but like i said the 207 is staying in if i can get it freed up.i will probabley just end up pulling it out and over hauling it if i want it to run right anyway.
my buddy has a 46 willeys jeep that has an over drive in it,
if it did'nt it would only run about 38 miles an hour.
so over drives were before 56.

jeff korner
southeast indiana