Chevy std -35. The engines starter,generator,waterpump,airclener and fan shall they have same color as engine or shall they be black.
Thanks Mikael

All black except the water pump asm.

Thank you! pickup man

I think the fan also was the greenish-gray engine color as manufactured.

Greenish gray? The correct engine color is dark blue-gray.

All the 1934 & 35 literature (over 25 sales and engineering books) as well as the GM new car photo's at Milford Proving ground I have show the fan blades to be the same shade as the horn, generator, etc. All the new replacement NOS Chevrolet blades are painted black that I have seen & bought. The water pump & pulley are gray engine color. My Canadian (Maple Leaf 2 ton & Chev 1/2 and 1 1/2, Belgian, German books all show the same color.

I will agree that all the published pictures show a engine colored fan blade (black and white pictures) and that replacement fans were black -but I have never seen an engine gray fan on a car in this area....and they can't all have replacement fans.Same for the road draft tube.Thru the years both colors have been accepted for judging at any meets I have been to.

Don't forget Chevgene's first rule.

When in doubt, paint it black!

It is OK! I paint the fan blades also black

Thanks,Mikael...

Remember black, white and gray are not colors so they can never be incorrect

Oh,Oh it seems to me as artist and from science class white is a color, in fact, it is a combination of all the colors. Black was the absence of all color. The only thing that is going to save you it's not true in paint pigment.

Question -if white is a combination of all colors-and all colors are "darker" than white-what makes the combination of all colors change to white which is the lightest of all colors?????Isn't white the absence of color ??

I don't know tell that to the rainbows!

First, you have to separate what types of color you are talking about: Light and Pigment.

When discussing "light" colors, the color that is reflected is the color you see. So for example, if you have a blue hat, all the colors are absorbed, except for blue. The color blue is reflecting off the object and back to your eye....so therefore, you "see" blue. White light is created when all the colors are reflected back to your eye and none are absorbed. Black light (which is an oxymoron because it is absence of light) is when all the colors are absorbed into the object and none are reflected back to your eye...so you don't "see" anything. Therefore, you cannot see any colors. No light=darkness. So technically, according to light theory, White is a color (all the colors reflected) and black is not (all the colors absorbed).

As for pigments (i.e. paint) black and white are both colors. Black pigments can exist by the mixing of other colors (if black wasn't a color, then how can the hue exist?) And white, although no other colors are mixed, can be created by itself. So both, when dealing with pigments, are colors and exist.

I hope that clears up any confusion!

WOW-that was great....now I see a dog with black and white spots

Nope, this old dog is all black with a white chest....and this mutt has a preference for blondes and redheads!

Let reason. The pulley is dark blue-gray (or greenish-gray - whatever) and the pulley is held in place by bolts through the fan. It makes sense that the fan and pulley were assembled to the engine as was the draft tube and them the whole thing was painted dark blue-gray (or greenish gray - whatever).

I know its a horse of a different color but the 1937 and up had black fans and breather tubes....and they were attached in the same mannor....and how was the "back" of the fan painted when it was so close to the engine.???

Wow, a dog that sees colors! and also knows why he sees colors of which wave lengths, now I am really impressed. Hey JunkYardDog could you lend me a couple of five spots so I can get some crayons in 254 colors!

Chev Nut of course the original fan was painted engine color but the guys on the assembly line messed up the fans putting the engines in the chassis and they had to replace the fan with one from "parts" on final inspection!

Contrary to popular belief, Junkyard Dogs are not color blind...at least this gnarly mutt isn't!

So, for the sake of argument if the bolts that hold the fan in place are painted engine color, then was the fan itself painted on or off the car?

White is the absence of all color.....

Black is the 'combination' of all colors....

There is no 'greenish-gray.'

Chevy's 'blue' is a medium blue.

Painted parts are painted on all 'sides' before they are assembled.

Bill.

Getting back to the fan & engine color. Most of the US engines were built in Flint, MI and then sent to the assembly plants. I doubt very much that they were shipped with a fan blade installed primary due to space & shipping damage problems. Same goes for the draft tube; these parts were assembled either before or after the engine was installed at the assembly factory. This process is still the same at GM; the only fully dressed engines I've seen shipped are one of kind show engines

The draft tube on the 1935/36 motors was installed at the same time the oil pan was put on. There's a bracket on the draft tube that is held in place via one of the oil pan bolts.

The fan, pully and water pump were all installed before the engine was painted, so they should be engine color. I have factory photos showing it this way.


Mike

When was the generator pulley painted? I understand that the generator was black and the generator pulley was engine color.

George

Mike is there any way you could post those factory photo's showing the engine assembly especially showing the fan installation. That would sure clear a lot of the painting questions for all of us; thanks.

Why are so many engines painted gray when the filling station list black for the correct color for 1934 pickup ? My 36 coupe is grey, is this correct ? Thanks.

The Filling Station does not list black as the engine color for the 1934 pickup in their catalog. Their listing is as follows:

Part number FS-119, 1929-52 Dark gray engine enamel - quart.

The only black listed is for the manifolds (high heat paint) and for the chassis. Both paints are from Bill Hirsch.

The engine in the 1934 pickup was painted Dark-blue gray and so was the engine in your 1936 coupe.

Gents
I have owned an original unrestored 34 master Holden body for 30 years. It was a one owner very low mileage car and the fan, pully and fan botls and washers are black, they have never been painted over.
I have also pulled apart over 30 34 and 35 std engines and they all had black fans pulleys and bolts
Even though it is a Holden body, the engine was shipped in the chassis
Chris

I just bought a low milage 1934 cab & chassis 1PB034946. I just took off the fan blade assembly and low & behold the back side of the fan where it was bolted to the pulley was black; the engine casting is C-14-4. Many parts were painted black and assembled after the engine was painted even though the fasteners were also used to hold the engine parts together.

I have been closely associated with 35 Standards since 1948 and have owned 2,"as new",35 Stds and to date I have never seen anything,including these 2 cars, that would lead me to believe that black could possibly be correct.
On the other hand, those 2 cars both had Master horns. Go figure.
The factory pictures published in the January 1969 G&D include a engine shot that shows clearly these parts to be engine color. Yes, I know these pictures are of the 34 STD but what other reliable "proof" do we have? In a tight spot, one could always put one's thumb over the '34 in the title block when showing the pictures to the judges.
I have seen a lot of irregularies in supposedly, all original cars. The bottom line is that the guys on the assembly line were not concerned about authenticity, just when is lunch or end of shift? In restoration it is what you can prove from "authentic" sources that counts.

Tech advisor for 35 Std

I doubt that any of the parts like fans were sent to the GM Assembly in an un-painted or just primed condition, probably a black fan was put on the car then the engine was painted. many of these sheet metal parts were painted by dipping them before they were sorted and shipped.

Several of my uncles and cousins worked in the GM plant on the assembly line in Saint Louis before WWII and after, I heard a lot of their stories about building Chevrolets!

I dug up the old fan blades and vent tubes that I saved from an original 1934 Master and a 1935 Master DeLuxe...all I can see is black paint.One was a StLouis car and one from Janesville...I have the G&D picturs that show the proving grund cars with fans and vents that match the engine color...I would doubt very much if those sheetmetal parts would have been shipped with the engine due to damage concerns...I still have the thoughts that they were not the same color for all assembly plants and depended on the sorce of fans and vents for the plant.

So, the filling station fs- 119 paint is not correct for my 34 pickup ? The experts here asured me it was the right color, I don't think I'll change it now. The FS-119 is so close to black it's hard to tell it from the carb & generator. Thanks

The FS-119 engine paint is correct for all 1929-52 Chevrolets engines and some from 1953 and up.Its a dark gray but will look lighter in the sunlight.

"easy money", please re-read my posting. I mentioned that the Filling Station paint FS-119 IS CORRECT for your pickup. As Chev Nut states, it is dark, but it is not dark enough to be mistaken for black.

Remember that white '55 Cameo we were talking about 4-5-6 weeks ago... ??? The one with the wrong decal on the filter???

I still think the engine was painted the correct color of 'gray.' It just looked 'washed out' from the bright sun and the 'flash.'

Some 'complained' it was too light to be correct. I still don't agree.

Bill.

Thanks for all the info, with out it I'd be lost.

The down draft tubes at least on the 34-36 trucks do not attach to oil pan. The oil attachement screw behind the generator lower bracket extends up through the oil pan & block flange. The draft tube is attached by a bracket strap that goes down over the screw and is attached with a nut. This allows the draft tube to be installed or removed without distrubing the oil pan attachment. The draft tube on all my truck engine show back paint on them including the caps. I don't have detailed pictures of the car engines showing the draft tube attachments maybe they are different??