While rebuilding my w-1 carb for my 34 "DB" I found the metering rod is missing. Also the large brass plug in bottom of the carb is pretty beat up, the one for the pump check valves. Looking for someone who has some small carb parts laying around.

If you have the correct W1 for your DB (285-S), the cast iron body was painted gray. The W1 cast iron body for the 1934 Master models was painted black.

You can not use just any metering rod.The metering rod for a DB fits only 1934 Standard car and 1934 trucks.Its Chevrolet part #837544,stamped 645-50 and 75-116---that represents the size of the rod.The main metering jet should be stamped 82.

A metering rod and jet for another application could be used but may throw off mixture.....will check thru my junk tomorrow for the plug as it fits many years.

Regarding the metering rod, you need to verify first which W1 carburetor you have. You may have a replacement W1 that is for a different application than your current vehicle.

Check to see if there is a number stamped on the bottom flange. If so that will ID the original application. Then check the internal parts versus a list of specifications for a 285S Carter carb. It is too common for someone to have changed some part. I see it all the time. I am sure that the dog, Doyle and other rebuilders do too. I have even gotten carbs rebuilt by other rebuilders that have the wrong parts installed. Gets you to wondering how good they are when they do that and then charge two prices for their work? Caveat Emptor!

And, I also have received carburetors from customers that had their carbs. previously rebuilt by "professionals", and not only do they contain the wrong parts, but broken parts were glued together with JB Weld and other types of miracle glue!

Although it does not indentify the carb 100% if it has the 82 main jet would be a good indication that it is a 1934 DC-DB carb.It and a limited number of 1932 carbs. were the only ones to use the 82.Its possible the jet could have been
changed but usually only the rod was changed to a step lean or rich-etc.

A different metering rod jet and rod combination could be used but the original mixture calibration would be lost.....but would be no different than installing a 1934 Master or say a 1936 carb. as they all had different rod and jets.....may not pass the state exhaust emission tests. :p

I checked thru my "junk" and have no brass plug.

You mean one isn't supposed to put 1948 parts in a 1933 carb??? What a novel idea!!!

Carter produced more than 120 different W-1 carbs, from 1932 through 1949 (many of them used by Chevrolet, but for many other makes as well).

You fellows that do only the Chevrolet carbs are pretty fortunate. As a general rule at least the castings are generally correct on the W-1 carbs used on the Chevrolet. The "tinkerers" seem to play with the Holley carbs used on the "F" make (can I say **** on this forum?). We figure that from 10 **** cores (all supposedly the same) there will on average be enough correct castings to do maybe 5 and do them right. The Chevrolet carbs tend to be about 8 out of 10 with proper castings.

To add to Skip's comment concerning the finish of the cast iron body, other original finishes were: bowl cover and airhorn - chromate (greenish-goldish finish). With the steel pieces one can be more creative. Carter was located across from Crown plating. Obviously, Carter would not get ALL of the steel pieces to Crown the same day, and there was a protection specification for the steel. White zinc, yellow zinc, white cadmium, and yellow cadmium all met the protection spec, so the steel pieces would be electroplated with whatever Crown was running that day. I have actually seen NOS Carter carbs with all four finishes. The most common seemed to be white zinc.

One tip for the W-1 novice: if one reads the factory literature, one is instructed NEVER to reuse the idle jet. This is because the idle jet screws into a tapered hole, and as it binds against the top taper, it forms a seal. Reusing will invariablely result in no seal and idle issues UNLESS: very carefully place the idle tube in a vice; and carefully using a icepick, slightly enlarge the outer diameter of the top (this isn't the metering orifice). Now when the idle tube is installed, it will again make a seal at the top. Of course, if you want to replace it, I know of a good source

Well, it is now obvious one cannot use Foorrdd spelled correctly on this forum. Childish MOO!

Jon.

Hey Jon!

You can use "Dorf" in place of F-O-R-D and the word will work just fine on this forum. Besides, "Dorf" and "F-O-R-D" are the same thing....aren't they??

Skip - the problem is that this censure causes the individual posting to appear to be a DORF

Well, let me see which American-made cars the censor will not permit me to discuss:

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OK, it looks like the only set of asterisks are where our 38th president should be. Since this is obviously a non-political board, then maybe the censor should also toss Bush, Jackson, Johnson, Lincoln, Madison, and Washington from the accepted list.

Jon.

I will stick with "Dorf". It not only covers "F-O-R-D" but all politicians as well.

Also, I didn't see the Muntz on your list. There is one of those here locally. At any rate, that is a very impressive list you posted. I printed it out for future use. Thanks for posting it Jon. :p

easy money - my apologies for hi-jacking your thread. I promise not to do it again.

Jon.

The responce was great on w-1 carb, may take me a couple of nights to consume,I have a 95 meter jet & a idle marked 118.No numbers on the bottom flange. I'll try the expanding of the tube. I still have to solve the meter rod & jet to get this baby of the ground. Thanks for all the help.If any one has ever tried to restore a basket case, they know where the fun is.

The 95 main jet was used from 1938-40.How many cover screws are there???Is the choke valve all in one piece or hinged in the center???

Where is the vacuum port located? Does it have a straight throttle arm or one with two 90 deg bends? Does it have a round or flat shaft on the accelerator pump? Could ask several more but with the answers to these and Chevgene's questions we will get a good indication if you have the correct body.

Jon, you said:

"Of course, if you want to replace it, I know of a good source "

I want to replace it; can you tell me the "good source"?

Thanks,

The good source is Jon! Email him for additional information about his company.

If it does turn out to be a 1938-40 carb. I have a metering rod for it......will also need the metering rod disc and spring-I should have those also.
If a 1940 and older unit the throttle bore will measure 1 7/16" - '41 and later 1 1/2"

Thanks for the web site on your email Jon.

Questions on carb, :rolleyes: choke shaft is one piece and offset from center,4 cover screws,vacuum port is below and left of idle screw,arm is flat,round pump shaft,1 7/16 bore. By the way, who is Jon? Thanks

Jon = carbking, see the posts #8, #10,#12 above.

That was choke valve - not shaft.The 1937 unit had a two piece valve hinged at the shaft with a little spring in the center of the valve.Would be visable with choke closed and looking into the air horn.

If the valve is in one piece (solid) disc with the 1 7/16" bore and 4 cover screws is 99% certain to be a 1938-40.

Also the outter main throtle lever will have a zig-zag in it when viewed from the left side of the engine -two 90 deg. bends--lever that foot throttle uppper rod attaches to.

Does the new bowl cover gasket have the 2 holes for the 1934 carb. or the 4 for the later type?

Throtle lever is flat, choke disc is solid, gasket kit came from the filling station and has 4 holes. I sent chevgene two pictures, did you get them ? The larger jet for the 38-40 must be for the larger 216 engine, with the correct parts for that carb, will it work on a 207? Thanks :rolleyes:

The throttle lever is straight as a 1932-36 is ...good...it may have been changed.If it has a 1 7/16" throat its not a 609428 replacement (41-48 modified) which was 1 1/2".4 screws '37 or newer (37 had hinged choke).
My thought still stands, it a 1938-40.Yes, it will do fine on your 1934 DC using the metering rod I have (1938).The jet is larger but the diameter of the metering rod (both steps) is also larger .Will do as well as using the later 609428 replacement which had the '41 jetting and fit everything from 1932-36.

Email me your address.

Is the 609428 repacement the same as a Carter 569S?

George

Gene,

I finally finished with your metering rod gauge. I'll drop it in the mail this weekend. It worked like a charm. Car starts easily, runs like a dream (except for a vibration at 45-50 mph), but the carb still seems to seep a little gas from the plugs. I just can't get it sealed tight. Perhaps things will be better when I put the rebuilt correct 420S on my 39.

Thanks again and take care,
Ralph

I have some Carter carb parts. Describe the plug you need. Maybe I can help.
Mike

Thanks for the help Chevgene, My e-mail , look under my profile or reply from the pictures I sent you. Let me know how much $ I'll send it.

Easymoney,
I have a factory rebiult W-1 and the box states for all 1934-36 Chevy's. E-mail me if interested.