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#201305 - 03/19/11 04:29 PM
Photo identification request
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Shade Tree Mechanic
Registered: 02/25/11
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Hi all, As a classic car enthousiast, we (my father and I) have seen a lot of cars (and ofcourse Chevrolets) over the last ten years or so during rallies, concours' and other events here in Europe. All the photos are sorted by make, model year and production period. I try to make these descriptions as precise as possible, but that can be very hard. Especially because I am visually impaired (a rare form of autosomal dominant optic atrophy inherited from my mother) and as a result detail differences are hard to spot for me. Therefore all photos are taken by my father and the archive is owned by me. I like to learn about cars and their history. I am also a perfectionist which can be very frustrating in relation to a visual impairment. And that's why I would like to ask for some help now and then. I have made scans of the 1958-1960 cars in my archives. I would be pleased if someone could tell me if my description with respect to body style, type and model year is correct. Otherwise, just enjoy the pictures! Ignore the poor quality of some of the scans! Here are the cars from 1958 and 1960 (1959 will follow in a next posting) and what I know or what I would like to know: 1: Model year: 1958? Type: Bel Air? Body style: #1767/1867, Impala convertible coupe? Is the emblem shown below exclusive to the '58?   2: Model year: 1958? Type: Bel Air? Body style: #1739/1839, Sport four-door hardtop sedan?  3: Model year: 1960? Type: Station Wagon, based upon the Bel Air? Body style: #1545/1645, Kingswood four-door wagon?   4: Model year: 1960? Type: Station Wagon based upon the Bel Air? Body style: #1535/1635, Parkwood four-door wagon?  5: Model year: 1960? Type: Impala? Body style: #1737/1837, Sport hardtop coupe?  6: Model year: 1960? Type: Impala? Body style: #1739/1839, is this the Sport hardtop sedan...? OR 1719/1819 sedan 4d???   Any confirmation, correction or addition is more than welcome! Thanks in advance,
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#201337 - 03/20/11 02:30 AM
Re: Photo identification request
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Shade Tree Mechanic
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Thanks Bill. I mixed up the description of the last two cars! I don't know why so many of these cars have the wrong wheels etc. I think the younger American car lovers here do not care very much about originality, unfortunately! Here the corrections! 1: Model year: 1958? Type: Bel Air Body style: #1767/1867, Impala convertible coupe Is the emblem shown below exclusive to the '58?   2: Model year: 1958? Type: Bel Air Body style: #1749/1849, four-door sedan  3: Model year: 1960? Type: Station Wagon, based upon the Bel Air? Body style: #1545/1645, Kingswood four-door wagon?   4: Model year: 1960? Type: Station Wagon based upon the Bel Air? Body style: #1535/1635, Parkwood four-door wagon?  5: Model year: 1960 Type: Impala Body style: #1739/1839 Sport hardtop sedan.  6: Model year: 1960 Type: Impala Body style: #1737/1837, Sport hardtop coupe   Any confirmation, correction or addition is more than welcome! Thanks in advance,
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#201376 - 03/20/11 01:50 PM
Re: Photo identification request
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Shade Tree Mechanic
Registered: 02/25/11
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In summary, the questions left are: 1: is the emblem (#1) exclusive to the '58 Impala? 2: Is #1 a '58 Bel Air Impala conv? 3: Can somebody confirm it is a '60 Kingswood? 4: a '60 Parkwood? I found somewhere in my notes it was a Kingswood as well, so now I'm confused. Photo was taken in Norway.
Thanks!
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#201386 - 03/20/11 02:54 PM
Re: Photo identification request
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Shade Tree Mechanic
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Thanks Gene! And finally, here are the cars from 1959 and what I know or what I would like to know: 1: In Holland during a large concours-like event. Model year: 1959? Type: Impala??? Body style: #1737/1837, Sport hardtop coupe??? Cannot be a two-door sedan as these were not available in the Impala line. I'm confused a bit here. See car below.  2: On the streets in Holland. Model year: 1959? Type: Bel Air??? Body style: I'm confused. If this is really a Bel Air, it can only be the two-door sedan (1511/1611) as there was no hardtop coupe in this line as far as I know. But it looks like a coupe...???  3: In Switzerland during a rally. Model year: 1959? Type: Impala Body style: #1767/1867, convertible coupe  4: The same day, the same event organizer in Switzerland, but another car! Model year: 1959? Type: Impala Body style: #1767/1867, convertible coupe  5: Parked along the street in Holland... Model year: 1959? Type: Impala? Body style: #1719/1819, four-door sedan?  6: Just parked along a street in the Netherlands, quite impressive! Model year: 1959? Type: Station Wagon based upon the Impala? Body style: #1735/1835, Nomad four-door wagon  7: Seen just one in ten years. Photo taken in Holland; car parked along the streets! Model year: 1959? Type: El Camino Body style: #1180/1280, Pickup; these modelnumbers suggest it was based upon the Biscayne, but I believed it was based upon the Bel Air...???  Any confirmation, correction or addition is more than welcome! Note: it is quite strange four out of 7 cars were depicted on the street, so not during an official event. Two of them even at the same day quite close to each other. Here in Holland, cars built before 1965 are very rare "in the wild". Thanks in advance,
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#201387 - 03/20/11 03:00 PM
Re: Photo identification request
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Backyard Mechanic
Registered: 08/30/07
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2: The '58 Convertible is an Impala (not Bel-Air Impala). This is the new name for the Top of the Line 2-Door Cars (Impala 2-Dr Hard Top and Impala Convertible).
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#201389 - 03/20/11 03:07 PM
Re: Photo identification request
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Shade Tree Mechanic
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2: The Convertible is an Impala. This is the new name for the Top of the Line 2-Door Cars (Impala 2-Dr Hard Top and Impala Convertible).
Bill Hi Bill, You mean the '58 Impala? I thought the Impala became a seperate series in '59, so it would be a Bel Air Impala convertible... Or doesn't that make sense? Funny, Gene had the same thought but was quicker to write it down.
Edited by Job_vH (03/20/11 03:08 PM)
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#201394 - 03/20/11 03:27 PM
Re: Photo identification request
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Backyard Mechanic
Registered: 08/30/07
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Job,
I tried jumping in after Gene's post, but in the meantime I see that you posted the new pictures of the '59's. I since edited my last post for it to be more clear. Right, I was referring to the '58.
In '57, the Top of the Line Chevy was a Bel-Air. In '58, the Top of the Line became the Impala, but only for the Top of the Line 2-Door and the Convertible cars. The Top of the Line 4-Door '58's were still Bel-Air's ('58's were a little confusing). In '59 (and newer) all of the Top of the Line Passengers cars were Impala's. The Bel-Airs became one style under the Impala's.
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#201395 - 03/20/11 03:32 PM
Re: Photo identification request
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Job,
Not to confuse you more, but what Gene has stated is the Official name, but not as we all know them, as he mentioned.
Gene,
Did the '58 Impala have the word Bel-Air anywhere on the car? I know my '56 Nomad had both the names "Bel-Air" and "Nomad" on it, but I remember my '58 Nomad only having "Nomad" on it.
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#201450 - 03/21/11 12:17 AM
Re: Photo identification request
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Registered: 02/25/11
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I think Cadillac did something similar with their first DeVilles and even Eldorados which were placed inside the 62-series.
The station wagons which became a seperate series did not carry the names of the series they were based on as well, but model numbers suggest they do belong to these series. It is a bit confusing indeed. Maybe I can put the word Bel Air between parentheses like I do for the station wagons.
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#201451 - 03/21/11 12:19 AM
Re: Photo identification request
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Shade Tree Mechanic
Registered: 02/25/11
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And what about the '59s? I am especially confused by numbers 1 and 2.
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#201469 - 03/21/11 08:36 AM
Re: Photo identification request
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Backyard Mechanic
Registered: 08/30/07
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#1 is a '59 Impala 2-Door Hard Top.
#2 is a '59 Bel-Air 2-Door Sedan.
The Hard Top has No Post and the Sedan does have a Post. (No Post is when you roll down both front and back windows, there is nothing in-between).
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#201477 - 03/21/11 09:28 AM
Re: Photo identification request
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Shade Tree Mechanic
Registered: 02/25/11
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Thanks Bill. All-in-all, this seems to be a reasonably complete overview of the '59 models; only missing are the hardtop sedan and two-door wagons.
Only questions left open now: 1: Is #5 correctly described? 2: was the El Camino in fact based upon the Biscayne?
Thanks again!
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#201481 - 03/21/11 10:05 AM
Re: Photo identification request
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Registered: 08/30/07
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#5 is correct. It is a '59 Impala 4-Door Sedan.
The El Camino is equal to a Bel-Air. It has Bel-Air Trim.
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#201482 - 03/21/11 10:10 AM
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Shade Tree Mechanic
Registered: 02/25/11
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Thanks Bill.
OK, just wondering why the model numbering 1180/1280 for the El Camino lies within the Biscayne range...
With respect to the station wagon-series, this rule seems to work well...
Edited by Job_vH (03/21/11 10:11 AM)
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#201484 - 03/21/11 10:25 AM
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Hi Bill,
Yes, I read about the El Caminos. I like this body style; it is sporty and still a pickup. There are a few around here in Holland, but the earliest we saw after this '59 is from '70. Maybe in the future we will find a model from the intermediate years.
Interesting to think about reasons why Chevy stopped making the El Camino for '61...? If it was because of the better selling pickup trucks, why did they reintroduce the El Camino in '64...
Edited by Job_vH (03/21/11 10:29 AM)
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#201488 - 03/21/11 10:51 AM
Re: Photo identification request
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Hi Bill, Interesting to think about reasons why Chevy stopped making the El Camino for '61...? If it was because of the better selling pickup trucks, why did they reintroduce the El Camino in '64... Yes, Job. Interesting point. Who knows what was going on in the "genius" [  ] brains of the Chevy big shots in those days??? Possibly they just wanted to show Ford they could do the same as they did with the Ranchero...
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#201495 - 03/21/11 12:28 PM
Re: Photo identification request
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It is an interesting line of thinking Bill, though I don't know what they thought in those days either  . What I know well is that I am very glad Chevy built the El Camino in '59 and '60  . The later El Caminos may have been based on the midsize platform, but for European standards, they are massive! Still thinking about the low numbering of the El Camino. Do you Gene have a clue why the E.C. was numbered within the Biscayne range, but trimmed as the Bel Air?
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#201576 - 03/22/11 07:05 AM
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I know wikipedia is not really a reliable source, but it states a few interesting facts: Like the Ranchero, it was based on an existing and modified platform, namely the new-for-1959 Brookwood two-door station wagon and corresponding sedan delivery variant; unlike those models, the El Camino was available with any trim level and drivetrain option corresponding to the car line, including that of the Chevrolet Impala. This would clarify the numbering 1180/1280 being inside the range of the Biscayne, on which the Brookwood was based in turn. A nice detail!The floor was a corrugated sheetmetal insert, secured with 26 recessed bolts. Concealed beneath it was the floor pan from the Brookwood two-door wagon, complete with foot wells. They state a few interesting, quite plausible reasons for the El Camino being discontinued for '61 (for example the low sales in '60). To prevent violating the copyright rules: Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_El_Camino"
Edited by Job_vH (03/22/11 07:11 AM)
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