Hi!

As a classic car enthousiast, we (my father and I) have seen a lot of Chevrolets over the last ten years or so during rallies, concours' and other events here in Europe.
All the photos are sorted by make, model year and production period. I try to make these descriptions as precise as possible, but that can be very hard. That's why I would like to ask for some help now and then.

The first car I would like to post here I thought was from 1931. It resembled the roadster/sport roadster the most, but it has the "wrong" windshield. That made me wonder if it was a coupe converted to make it look like a roadster
I discussed this one with Bill Barker and he wrote the following:
"A quick glance shows some things different. I don't want to judge too quickly since, cars built overseas sometimes used different parts.

The cowl lights don't look like any GM product. Too big.
The hubcapas look "different"... Couldn't tell if they have trim rings around them.

There is no rock-guard on the radiator so that would indicate a standar coupe (roadster)... but I can't tell if it has a rumble seat or not... I would expect NOT since some of the other "sport" items are missing.

It looks odd to me. But maybe some of the guys that know the older cars a little better would recognize it. It does have some similarities to 1928/29 Open cars."

So here's the pic, taken in Brussels (Belgium) some years ago.



Thanks in advance!
Best wishes,
Job

This picture looks like a 31 Dodge or DeSota. It could even be a Plynouth but I don't thik so. What little I can see of the emblem on the radiator shell I believe it is Dodge. I do believe it is a roadster.

I feel stupid now! The first pic I put on this forum is not even a GM product!

Could be a Dodge indeed. In my notes I wrote Dodge Brothers, whitewall tires, open; so that may have been this car...

Thanks for pointing out!

I have made scans of the other '31s in my archives. I would be pleased if someone can tell me if I identified these cars correctly or wether things look wrong or not original.
And oterwise, just enjoy the pics.


1931 Independence AE:

1. 4-door Phaeton; cheap, but relatively rare. Seen at the European Concours d'Élegance in Germany.





2. This would be a 2-door coach; the one that was sold in the greatest quantity this year.



3. This would be a Sport Roadster, according to the entry list that was published by this event's organizer.



4. And another roadster, is this a Sport Roadster?



5. This must be the Landau Phaeton; nice!



6. This ornament was fitted to the Convertible Cabriolet shown below. Were these mascots originally fitted to 1931 cars?



7. And the Convertible Cabriolet.



8. And last but not least, a "ice cream truck" on the AE chassis. I suppose Chevrolet offered a rolling chassis for specialist coachbuilders to build their bodies on? This "chassis only" is not listed in my book. The car was (is?) on display in a Dutch museum.


I hope I do not annoy you with my pics and questions, but your comments are more than apreciated!

Kind regards,
Job

Hi enjoyed looking at your photos and I can identify your first one it is a 29 dodge roadster, also you have a photo of a landau phaeton or a 5 passenger convertible coupe that is actually a 32.

Thanks!

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Good to know! Thanks!

You bet!

I cannot edit my previous messages, so I will make an update post:

Photos #
Unidentified: Dodge Roadster 1929

1: 1931 AE, 4-dr Pheaton-5P
2: 1931 AE, 2-dr Coach-5P
3: 1931 AE, 2-dr Sport Roadster-2/4P
4: 1931 AE, 2-dr Sport Roadster or Roadster?
5: 1932 BA, 2-dr Landau phaeton-5P OR 2-dr Coupe-5P; who knows?
6: 1931 AE, hood ornament, original or not?
7: 1931 AE, 2-dr Convertible Cabriolet-2/4P
8: 1931 AE, chassis, truck chassis?

The Eagle radiator cap is a genuine Chevrolet accessory for 1931-32.

Thanks, were the '31 and '32 ornaments identical?

they were.

Thanks, a new update:

Photos #
Unidentified: Dodge Roadster 1929

1: 1931 AE, 4-dr Pheaton-5P
2: 1931 AE, 2-dr Coach-5P
3: 1931 AE, 2-dr Sport Roadster-2/4P
4: 1931 AE, 2-dr Sport Roadster OR Roadster?
5: 1932 BA, 2-dr Landau phaeton-5P OR 2-dr Coupe-5P; who knows?
6: 1931 AE, accessory hood ornament for 1931 and 1932.
7: 1931 AE, 2-dr Convertible Cabriolet-2/4P
8: 1931 AE, chassis, truck chassis?

landau it the correct the 5 passenger coupe was a hardtop car sorry for the confusion

No problem, thanks!

Unidentified: Dodge Roadster 1929

1: 1931 AE, 4-dr Pheaton-5P
2: 1931 AE, 2-dr Coach-5P
3: 1931 AE, 2-dr Sport Roadster-2/4P
4: 1931 AE, 2-dr Sport Roadster OR Roadster?
5: 1932 BA, 2-dr Landau phaeton-5P
6: 1931 AE, accessory hood ornament for 1931 and 1932.
7: 1931 AE, 2-dr Convertible Cabriolet-2/4P
8: 1931 AE, chassis, truck chassis?

Job,
I told you that these guys would know their stuff!!!!

--Bill Barker

YUP...........typically amazing............FIGURES....Don R.

You were right!

Is somebody able to tell if the roadster on numbered 4 is a sport roadster?

I would say it is a sport roadster it has all the markings

If car 4 has a rumble seat it is a Sport Roadster. If it has a trunk it is a Roadster or Standard Roadster. I can't tell from the photo which it has.

#2 is just like my car. Same color and everything.

Thanks all for helping me identify these cars and answering my questions!

Here are 3 open cars. We thought they were from 1929 or 1930]. Please correct me if I'm wrong!


9: Is this a 1929 or 1930, phaeton?



10: This must be a 1929 or 1930 Sport Roadster. Body is by Holden, but do their bodies differ from those of Chevrolet?





11: This is a 1929 or 1930 roadster or sport roadster.


I hope someone of you is able to tell the 1929 and 1930 cars apart?

Thanks a lot!

Both roadsters appear to be 1930.

Thanks!

Any clue about the phaeton?

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I'd put the phaeton at 1930 also. That looks like a shock absorber under the front fender.

Dan

Thanks Dan!

I'll put the others online tomorrow (it's 23:02 here, so it's time to go to bed :).

Thanks again!

Bill, I've got your test mail, but no notification... I'll put my public e-mailaddress in my profile tomorrow and see what will happen then.

29 disk wheels

On which one?

Hi!

As promised above, some new pics and questions.

I would be pleased to know the model year and body styles.

12: This is what I think a 1929 or 1930 phaeton. According to the registration number, it would be 1929, but in Holland this service is not always reliable. Is someone able to confirm or disconfirm this year?



13. This can only be aa coach (2-doors, 4 windows). I have this car listed as 1930, but I'm absolutely not sure. Who knows the model year?



14: A sedan. In 1929 there was just the 4-door "standard" sedan that is a likely candidate. The Imperial sedan looks different.
If it is a 1930 though, it can be a
- special sedan, but this car and the car below does not have a spare tire in the fender, so they cannot be the special sedan, right?
- Club sedan. If I do understand the difference well, a club sedan is a 4-door sedan without the rear quarter window; so no window after the second door.
- "Standard" Sedan. In that case, both (this and the following) photo show "standard" sedans.
So, are number 14 and/or 15 standard sedans?



15: And another sedan, I hope it is possible to tell the 1929 and 1930 apart from the rear...?


Thanks, you're great!

It is simple telling a 29 from a 30. The 29 has an oval dash that is removable and gas gauge in the gas tank.
30 does not have removable dashboard the gauges are cut into the sheat metal including the gas gauge.

I believe he has had most of these photos several years and probably cannot remember the dash configuration.

True, these pics were taken over a 10 year period. Many of these cars take part in rallies and so there is not even a chance to take a close look or a picture of the dash :).

Nobody a clue?

Job, I'm planning to visit The Netherlands in May. Do you know of any good auto museums in your country?

Yes, definitely. There are a few museums that are worth a visit.
1: The Louwman Collection. If you come over, you have to visit this collection. Mister Louwman has had a Toyota dealership in the seventies and has collected cars ever since. If a museum go bankrupt here, there is a reasonable chance Louwman will buy the complete collection and sell what he does not want to exhibit. In this way, he bought the Rosso Bianco collection in Germany and the Autotron in Holland. His museum has moved from Raamsdonksveer to The Hague last year and I have not been at the new location yet. It is really a museum you may not miss! They say it is one of the best in Europe and I think that's no nonsense!
2: A smaller museum I have not been to yet is in the North of the Netherlands, Joure in the province Friesland. I have seen a few of their cars exhibited or driven in rallies and they were promising. I think their collection is a lot smaller than Louwman's and the quality may be less, but as I said, I have not been there yet.
3: A more specialized museum is the Ford museum, but in the US you have the Ford Museum in Dearborn and if you have been there, this museum in Holland may be a disappointment. I have been there (in the building) to make use of the toilets but I have not seen their collection irl. The museum is situated in Hillegom, between the tulip fields (if you visit Holland in May, the fields may be beautiful and colorful!

Please let me know if you need some additional info!

Can anybody confirm the last two are "standard" sedans?

You know it is really hard to tell from the photos provided but it seems to me that the Phaeton is a '29 because the windshield does not look like it folds down as they did in '30. Is that correct? The other three all look like '30 models as the windshields look like they slope, but again it is hard to tell from the photos. The white sedan looks like it could be a deluxe with the side running lights and cowl band. Nice photos anyway.

Thanks a lot!

Could you please play this trick on the last three 1929-1930 cars in my archives too? Would be great.


The coach, International or Universal?



The sedan, International or Universal



The coupe below is from 1929, I'm sure. So just enjoy the picture :).


Thanks in advance!

The coach is neither. It is a "National" since it is a 1928 model.

The sedan is an "International".

Thanks! Many thanks!

You bet....and glad to help out.

By the way, wasn't the above information in the book "Standard Catalog of American Cars"?

Let me clarify something. I did not tell you before because I do not want to sound pathetic. I am partially sighted (a rare form of autosomal dominant optic atrophy inherited from my mother) and as a result detail differences are hard to spot for me.
All photos are taken by my father and the archive is owned by me. I am a perfectionist. That's the reason I ask for help or confirmation sometimes. I like to learn about cars and their history.
So to answer your question, there is a short paragraph in the catalog on changes per year. I checked all my pics with someone who is sighted but she did not see it was a '28 instead of a '29.

I now see what has happend with the National coach. I accidentally mixed two pictures up.



This is the one. Is this an International or a Universal coach?

Thanks!

All 1929 models are International.

All 1930 models are Universal.

The vehicle above appears to be a 1929, therefore, it would be an International.

Thanks! Is this a standard coach? In Ford terms, this roof treatment is called a Victoria I think... Or is this standard for this year's coach?

Best, Job

That body style is not considered a Victoria for either the Model A Ford or the Chevrolet. The Victoria body style is completely different for both the Ford and the Chevrolet.

Thanks, Job. The Louwen Museum has a wonderful website.
http://www.louwmanmuseum.nl/asp/appmain....mp;menutype=sub
They have a picture of each car in the collection along with information on each car. The early cars are really beautiful and there is a lot of interesting informatioon on each car. Unless you can read Dutch you have to use Google Translate in order to read the information. Unfortunately there are no Chevrolets! Now all I have to do is convince the boss that we need to visit this museum.

Louwman is really critical on what to put into his museum and what not. If you know how many interesting cars he sold after the takeover of the Rosso Bianco... I have seen two Alfa Romeo 33 race cars being sold for example.
I think he has no run-of-the-mill cars in his collection. I have seen a few cars that were not really exclusive (DeLorean DMC12, Triumph Renown). I cannot remember there was a Chevy indeed. In the Autotron was a Chevrolet, but that museum has gone bankrupt, bought by Louwman and he has sold the Chevy again (he did keep some 2 or 3 cars if I am informed well). I have not seen many Chevy's in any museum here. A few Corvettes maybe. Possibly a few in the museum in Joure...

Some years ago, there was an interesting museum in Bergeyk, in a southern province. They sold nearly every car they had on display and interest came from many countries. Unfortunately, they could not keep the business profitable and all the cars were sold for low prices! They had some very interesting and rare vehicles on display (and for sale), but also a lot of less exclusive ones. It is a pitty the museum is not anymore.

I hope you can convince the boss and I am sure you won't be disappointed! Would be nice to hear from you if you got there!

Hello!

And here the last cars from 1932 that are currently in my archives.

Coach, is this de Deluxe coach?


Sedan or special sedan? How to recognize the special sedan?


A landau phaeton.


The Landau phaeton I previously (erroneously) put in the '31s.


So my questions are:
1: Is the first one a Deluxe?
2: is the second one a sedan or special sedan and what's the difference in appearance?

Thanks!

1. Coach

2. The vehicle appears to be a Special Sedan

3. The easiest way to tell the difference between a 1932 Sedan and a 1932 Special Sedan is to check the Job Number on the cowl tag. The Sedan has a Job Number of 32559 and a Special Sedan has a Job Number of 32569.

Thanks again!

I hope it is okay to put new pics in this topic as soon as they are about to be put in my archives.

I forget to ask something. Does the five-passenger coupe resemble the landau phaeton, but with a metal roof? Have not seen one yet.

The easiest way to learn about the different models is to purchase a 1929-32 Chevrolet parts book, the Chevrolet Service News for each year (12 issues per year), sales brochures for each year, Engineering Features for each year and etc. All of the above and more are available from the Filling Station in Lebanon, Oregon. That way you will have reference material at your finger tips when you need information about a specific model.



Yes.

Thanks :)

Hi,

Is anybody able to tell me the model years and body style of the cars in these six new photos taken in Holland? Would be great!


? 1929/1930, Sedan



? 1929/1930, kind of coupe



? 1929/1930, Coach



1931? Convertible, cabriolet?



19??, Cabriolet or Roadster


1932, BA Confederate, Sedan



Many thanks!

Can't tell for sure on the first three photos. Tire size, shape of instruments are best way to determine if '29 or '30. The left hand tail light on photos suggests '30 for them but not definitive.

Photo four and five are Deluxe 1931 Cabriolets and six is a '32 Special Sedan.

Thanks! I know it is hardly possible to tell the '29 and '30 apart, but is there somebody who can or can do an educated guess? I remember Junkyard Dog was quite good at this.

I should have added front wheel brake linkage to the difference between '29 and '30. Can't see them in the photos either. Only clue is rear tail light stand.

The windshield on a 1929 is vertical whereas on a 1930 the windshield has a 10 degree slant.

Okay, Doggie,
Which are the years for the first three?

It is really hard to tell by the photos, but the first photo appears to be a 1929 and the next two photos look like 1930 models.

I agree, it looks like the first one has the ridges around the window reveal and no sloped windshield and the next two do not. Nice photos though.

That second '31 Cabriolet seems to have it's top irons on the wrong sides....

Thanks a lot! I'll add your info to the pics in my archives!

I have added one photo in the 1933-1936-forums:
[li]http://vcca.org/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/220876#Post220876[/li]

Thanks again!