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#191762 - 12/15/10 08:20 PM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: Junkyard Dog]
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With out going out and looking at this yet, what should I look for as far as good nos. And would the 31 bolt right on to the 29 clutch and housing? Iknew you would shoot me down but I can dog b
paddle in water for a while

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#191763 - 12/15/10 08:28 PM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: rjp]
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Your 1931 engine serial number should be seven digits and not six.

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#191766 - 12/15/10 08:33 PM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: Junkyard Dog]
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How many no. on a30 or 29?

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#191769 - 12/15/10 08:41 PM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: rjp]
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1929 engine serial numbers started at number one. All 1930 engines have seven digit serial numbers as does 1931. Your engine is definitely a 1931 because of the block casting number and the casting date.

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#191774 - 12/15/10 08:50 PM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: Junkyard Dog]
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Ithink
i might get sick, but dont tell my wife, I will check this weekend thanks, Ithink Roger

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#191775 - 12/15/10 08:53 PM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: rjp]
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You're welcome.....I think.

Anyway, check the casting number on your cylinder head also and post it here. We will tell you what year the cylinder head is as well. Also, I have some 1929 engine blocks if you need one.

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#191776 - 12/15/10 09:04 PM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: brewster]
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Originally Posted By: brewster
At this point, after seeing all of the different cowl and body numbers, I don't think that there is any evidence that supports the 300 number, other than hundreds of books that say 300! As for the car being cancelled, It was just a poor marketing idea, and the production numbers show that. If you build your company around selling the countries cheapest cars for the masses, it is hard to sell to that upscale consummer that wants something special. Like you said, it would take a chauffeur to drive to let the owner feel the satisfaction of the top down experience in this car. If someone wanted a convertible, the cabriolet or much cheaper roadsters and phaeton were available. People with chauffeurs were not driving Chevrolets! So how does that account for 8-9 thousand sales? First, there is always a part of the market that wants to own the newest and nicest thing going, and this was certainly it! This type of consumer preorders stuff, or is waiting at the dealership for roll-out day! Second, if it is true that GM sent one to every dealership, that means the cars had to be built. This beautiful car likely could sell itself in the window of a dealership, but given few colour choices and that weird convertible top, would you really order one? It seems more of an impulse buy! I think the 8000 sales likely came early in the year, and the cancellation came from a slow down in sales and feedback from the market. Just changing the roof to a fixed roof resulted in 42,000 sales for half a year of the Imperial sedan... a much more functional car, and apparently what the consumer was looking for!


I doubt if slow sales was the reason the Imperial Landau was discontinued. Almost 55,000 were sold in 1928. I think a more likely reason was customer complaints of a leaky roof. The seal and water drain system between the convertible top and the fixed roof is a very primitive design that probably led to a lot of ugly water stains in the interior. The stock market crash was at the end of 1929, so the price was not likely to have caused a sales decline. Chevrolet sales were still good through 1930 and most of 1931, some folks in hard times were buying Chevrolets instead of Buicks and Cadillacs.
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#191806 - 12/16/10 05:54 AM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: d2d2]
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Rip, don't worry we'll never tell her, and I hope you don't let her peek in on Chat II!! To help you figure out what you have as a complete drive-train, the '29 and '30 cars had a pressed steel bell housing, to which the tranny was bolted with bolts hidden inside the bell housing, and the clutch was adjusted by a hooked bolt mechanism through the yoke(this is what I have for the '30 engine in my '31 Coach). By '31 I understand they went to a cast steel bell housing, and the tranny was bolted on from the tranny side with 4 bolts exposed for you to see and allow tranny removal. The clutch was by then adjusted by way of a newer adjusting plate mounted on the pedal shaft. Various threads here cover the relative interchangeability of these various components, and what can be done routinely, and what is problematic. You could have a '31 engine with a '29 or '30 bell housing and tranny or with a complete '31 drivetrain. Would love to have your car!!!


Edited by Gunsmoke (12/16/10 05:58 AM)

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#191832 - 12/16/10 10:21 AM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: d2d2]
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Originally Posted By: d2d2
I doubt if slow sales was the reason the Imperial Landau was discontinued. Almost 55,000 were sold in 1928. I think a more likely reason was customer complaints of a leaky roof. The seal and water drain system between the convertible top and the fixed roof is a very primitive design that probably led to a lot of ugly water stains in the interior. The stock market crash was at the end of 1929, so the price was not likely to have caused a sales decline. Chevrolet sales were still good through 1930 and most of 1931, some folks in hard times were buying Chevrolets instead of Buicks and Cadillacs.


By "Imperial Landau" I meant just the convertible model, which was new for '29. You are also right about the leaky roof thing, which would also have contributed to the thoughts of cancellation. I agree that the stock market crash had nothing to do with it, the car had run it's course as a novelty thing and the only way to improve sales was put a fixed roof on it. It reminds me of the Thunderbird... a sucsessful debut, but changed to a 4 seater after just three years of a downward trend in sales. Once you've captured that market that wants the 'trendy' car, there is no lift in sales afterward. Just as Ford added back seats to make the T-bird functional, Chevrolet added a fixed top to make this one functional. The results show, the car was a success after the change... 42000 sales in 6 months is a big improvement!
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#191836 - 12/16/10 11:09 AM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: Junkyard Dog]
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Well I looked again and there is no other no. stamped just those six no. Up higher on the side of the block above the cast no. there is another cast no. it reads conv. -3. Ithought Imight have a diferant head (on the engine) my temp sender is in the back. The bell housing and cluch and tranny are 29. Roger

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#191837 - 12/16/10 11:12 AM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: Gunsmoke]
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If my wife was reading this she would be sending you a title and a red ribbon.

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#191896 - 12/16/10 09:00 PM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: rjp]
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If the temperature sending unit is in the back of the cylinder head then your cylinder head is a 1930 or up. You would have to check the casting date and the casting number to find out which cylinder head you have.

Too bad that you have the wrong engine in your convertible landau because that is a desirable car. However, you can always purchase another 1929 engine or cylinder block to make the car correct.

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#191944 - 12/17/10 12:44 PM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: Junkyard Dog]
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The 1930 head and block that I have is all but perfect new poured bearing and on and on. I wonder if a person could ever trade with someone? Would it bring the value of the car up enough to make the trade worth while? It is a 8 or9 driver, but not a musseum piece now.

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#191951 - 12/17/10 01:28 PM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: rjp]
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The only reason to change the engine would be if your are dedicated to having a 100% original car. The '30 looks like the '29 and if you have '29 manifolds the vast majority of people will never know it is not a '29 engine.
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#192008 - 12/17/10 08:37 PM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: Chipper]
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You right but I will always know I will keep looking and go from there , its a great car. Thanks alot and have a good one Roger

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#192046 - 12/18/10 07:52 AM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: rjp]
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The 1930 head and block that I have is all but perfect new poured bearing and on and on


As stated above, due to the casting number and the casting date, the engine block that is in your car is a 1931, not a 1930!

Since you have a 1929 convertible landau, which is a very desirable car, on the market your vehicle would be worth more to a true collector if your car had the correct engine.

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#192061 - 12/18/10 11:29 AM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: Junkyard Dog]
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You had said that you might have a block or 2, but would you have a complete block with haed

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#192126 - 12/18/10 11:21 PM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: rjp]
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I have several 1929 long blocks but I believe that I have sold all of my 1929 cylinder heads. Those all went to Canada.

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#192190 - 12/19/10 01:28 PM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: Junkyard Dog]
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Maybe a PM what does a ,long block run? Would the ones you sold the heads to happen to be VCCA members?

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#192194 - 12/19/10 01:52 PM Re: 1929 landau Imperial sed convt, Trim! [Re: rjp]
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I just sent you a PM.

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